Prop won't turn faster than idle speed.

paulvzo

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I was gifted a 1985 5.0 Liter Seaswirl with only128 freshwater hours on it. Before starting I topped off the drive oils, no funny particles or anything. This is, apparently, the all mechanical shifter unit.

The first quick trip out revealed a very bad carb, so back home and I rebuilt that.

The second trip out was only 35 minutes. Several times the engine would rev fine as I gave it gas, but the boat didn't respond. I would bring the engine speed back to idle, give it gas again and away we'd go I thought, well, gee, maybe I don't have the trim set right or something and it's cavitating.

The third trip never really got going. Almost immediately upon leaving the bayou I had no thrust above an idle, forward or reverse. I got home at 2 mph. Very,very, depressed! I thought of the old outboards of yore that had shear pins. Could I be so lucky?

Looked through the internet, my Seloc manual, and saw that a maladjusted "converter" box could be it. (What a misnomer, it doesn't convert anything.) In neutal position the arm was lined up exactly at the midpoint as one would expect. BUT, following the instructions, the midpoint became 8/32 to the left (forward.) I did this over and over and always got the same results. I tilted the drive up enough so that I could see the propwash to be sure of engagement points.

As far as I could tell from the manual, there is no adjustment for the shifter cable down in the lower unit. I could be wrong.

After doing all that, nothing has changed. Prop turns fine forward or reverse at an idle, engine revs like it's not even attached.

There are no unusual noises. I'll just mention for weirdness' sake, the exhaust comes out of the transom but not the prop.

Before jumping to conclusions about worn gears or something, remember that this has 128 hours on it. OTOH, why would the converter box adjment be so off? Was OMC THAT bad in QC? Did some bonehead try to fix something that went wrong early in it's life? IS there a shear pin?

Thanks for taking the time to read this.
 

Bt Doctur

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Re: Prop won't turn faster than idle speed.

prop hub slipping, engine coupler slipping
 

cooter2506

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Re: Prop won't turn faster than idle speed.

Put a spare prop on it and see what happens
 

paulvzo

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Re: Prop won't turn faster than idle speed.

Thanks for the super prompt and encouraging responses, guys. (I'm presuming, there.)

So the prop is actually two pieces, eh? And that Merc info is good for the OMC? Would age of the boat have a bearing (no pun intended) on this prop hub? Like, is there rubber or something in there?

No spare prop, as you might imagine.

Any thoughts on that exhaust angle?

I guess the good news for me next is the bad news. Obviously I can't do this while in the water. The boat ramp is less than a mile away (the very good news.) The bad news is, of course, 2mph to get there!

All sounds more hopeful than a new lower unit!
 

bamadave

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Re: Prop won't turn faster than idle speed.

You can swap the prop in the water, but be careful not to drop anything, or you will wish you had taken the boat out. It sounds like a logical place to start the diagnosing. If the coupler were going, you would probably smell burnt rubber from the engine compartment.
 

wkb2460

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Re: Prop won't turn faster than idle speed.

Scribe a mark across the hub and the prop, then run the boat and re-check the mark.
If the hub is bad the mark will be misaligned.
The hub is rubber and is pressed in. Age and sitting would surely cause to to go.

Easy fix though.
 

paulvzo

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Chapter closed

Chapter closed

So I shoved off yesterday for the public ramp and I didn't even get the 2 mph of when I limped home. Not 1mph, probably not 1/2. Barely any motion. So I beached it at a bayou neighbor's seawall about 200' from the dock. At least I could work on the drive from soil.

Another reason I did so was - and this is completely unreal - the boat started leaking horribly yesterday morning! I went out and it had 9" of water in it and of course the bilge pump didn't work. Of course it did the day before, just a quick ready test. Murphy lives in my house, I swear. The good news is West Marine is a half mile away and I got another pump on sale for $20.

I left the boat there last night. I got it high enough on the sand that it stopped leaking.

So, tools in hand, I was ready to fight the prop nut.........and it was finger tight. There was NO frickin' rubber left in the hub. It had been running on the friction from the washer! So I tightened it up snugly, started the bilge pump, and fast idled it to the ramp. Bueno.

This experience would infer that if you had the right size wrench and pliers onboard to get the cotter pin out, you might be able to get home after a spun hub. Also, check that hub often!

After getting home I started filling the bilge with fresh water, both to flush the bayou salt water out and perhaps find the leak. Yup, a tiny hole in the boot at about 7 o'clock. So "tiny" that it was leaking a couple of hundred gallons per hour!

I wonder if I will EVER just get to use this boat. And yes, I know what boats are about. Dad was a licensed captain, yacht broker, sailor, and we kids grew up here doing boats of all kinds. But this is beyond the pale.
 
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