Presidential Trivia Time

[QC]

I thought I'd find a sneaky way to, uh, sneak in some politics Relax, not really political anymore . . . Anyway, I have been reading up on US History; specifically Presidents. So, here's the question. Who said the following concerning which war and about which President?

"Mr. (the President) is too good . . . not to know this (the war) is wrong" after going through all "of the President's evidence" he demanded that the President "answer, fully, fairly and candidly. Let him answer with facts and not with arguments." And if he can "then I [agree with] his justification." But if he failed to respond, that would prove "that he is deeply conscious of being wrong," and "that he feels the blood of this war . . . is crying against him" and that he began this war motivated by a desire for "millitary glory." And when that failed, his mind "tasked beyond it's power" began "running [all over the place], like an ant on a hot stove," and this "bewildered, confounded, and miserably perplexed man" could now only speak in "the half insane mumbling of a fever [induced] dream."

Sound familiar?

 

[Drowned Rat]

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Wow, that took some research. I don't know if this is correct. Was it Abraham Lincoln discussing James Polk's handling of the War with Mexico???

circa 1848

 

[QC]

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Yeah, Freshman Congressman Abraham Lincoln, and a Whig (Republican) challenging a Democrat . . . The rest of the history reads like Hillary, Cheney, Bush, Pelosi et al. Everytime I read that we've never been this divided, I just laugh. They were flippin' brutal. They pulled all kinds of stunts too. Lincoln even jumped out of a window to avoid being "present" for a vote in the IL State Legislature. Talk about nuts

BTW, if the Whigs had their way at the time, we wouldn't have California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and parts of Colorado and Wyoming . . .

Edit: We'd have to go to Mexico to got to the Grand Canyon.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Let's tread lightly here folks.

 

[1730V]

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History repeats itself, especially for those who ignore it....

 

[ricksrster]

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Lincoln was a smart guy.

 

[QC]

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Sorry Spinner, I was kidding in my first post about Sneaking . . . Seriously interested only in the history. It is interesting to note that they fought like cats and dogs, and there is no need to think we're any different now. Lincoln was accused of being unpatriotic too for his position. He supported Mexican War General Zachary Taylor in the next Presidential election to prove that he was patriotic and to Shut the Dems up. It is interesting how similar all of this stuff is . . .

BTW, if we can't maintain decorum discussing 160 year old history, then I give up . . .

 

[Bob_VT]

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BTW, if we can't maintain decorum discussing 160 year old history, then I give up . . .

Hey, I don't have any problems

As a matter of fact when you look at history (and the military) the oldest battles and campaigns are taught to the leaders in all the acadamies and at the "war college" level too. Very wise leaders back then designed and set many of the tatics we abide to today.

History is great.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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HMMMM......​

 

[rolmops]

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HMMMM......​

That must be the sound of a man who has a rag stuffed in his mouth

 

[Haut Medoc]

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That must be the sound of a man who has a rag stuffed in his mouth

YEP!.......

 

[treedancer]

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Don’t let them Bs ya Spinner, it’s a stealth political thread, smite it.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Don?t let them Bs ya Spinner, it?s a stealth political thread, smite it.

I am watching it real close tree.

 

[QC]

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[Vlad D Impeller]

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Why were they called Whigs?

 

[QC]

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Why were they called Whigs?

Well, hmmmmm, the origin of the word I found at Wikipedia:

"The term Whig originated during the Wars of the Three Kingdoms when it was used to refer derisively to a radical faction of the Scottish Covenanters who called themselves the "Kirk Party". It entered English political discourse during the Exclusion Bill crisis of 1678–1681. The Whigs (or Petitioners) opposed the hereditary ascendance of the Catholic Duke of York to the thrones of England, Ireland and Scotland (see Exclusion Crisis). The Tories (or Abhorrers) supported James II. Both names were originally negative terms: whiggamor is a Scottish Gaelic word for a cattle or horse driver, while tory is an Irish word for an outlaw (see also rapparee)."

Apparently the Party "name was chosen to echo the American Whigs of 1776 who fought for independence." Also from Wikipedia, and those American Whigs can be traced back to the British Whigs of the 17th century . . . I was mistaken to call them "Republicans" as I had thought they were predecessors. In actuality, Lincoln and many others declared the party dead and joined the newly formed Republican Party around 1854ish. Support of State's rights regarding slavery killed the Whigs.

Edit: I have tried everything to get rid of the links. I saved to Word, got rid of the underlines. Changed fonts, whatever and those links keep coming back. They're not commercial, so no bigee, but it is Pssng me O!!!

 

[Hoss the Hermit]

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I heard they called them "Whigs" because "------ -----" was already taken