Poppet and Thermostat Question

dmcomp

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I have just purchased a secondhand 70HP 3cyl 1989 powerhead and it does not have a poppet valve or thermostat, Will this cause any problems with the running of the outboard short term or long term?<br />I don't know why but my old powerhead had it removed also. I live in a reigon that never gets cold, Could this be why they are being removed? Are they neccesary in warmer climates or would the repairers be removing them unneccesarily.<br />I am wondering if I should buy the parts and install them or would I be making a mistake by installing them.
 

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Re: Poppet and Thermostat Question

For many years Merc went without thermostats. I had an '89 tower that had none (not designed into the engine). Don't remember when thermostats were introduced into the lower hp engines.<br /><br />I recently bought an '02, 3 cyl, 90 and the thermostat stuck closed. I threw it away based upon the logic mentioned above.<br /><br />That proved to be the wrong thing to do. Your '89 can probably get by without it, but the EPA posted restrictions on outboards in the late '90's or so and they are running much leaner now. <br /><br />In short, I had to put a new stat back in the engine to get it to operate properly in 75 degree water.....symptoms were rough idle, hard starting, hard restarting after stopping off at a fishing hole, and hesitation getting up on plane.<br /><br />Others on here mention that by allowing the engine to run cool you increase the opportunity for sludge buildup, which I agree.<br /><br />Others mention that if you let water run through the powerhead too fast the waterjackets won't fill up and the top cylinder will run hot and be damaged from lack of cooling, and I agree this could happen too, although I have not researched the process. I understand what they are saying, I just don't have any quantity numbers.<br /><br />Maybe if you leave it out you could run some SeaFoam in your fuel to keep your carbon and sludge flushed out. But that wouldn't address possible damage to the top cylinder from overheating.<br /><br />Your previous owner may have had problems and just chunked them rather than replace them. Now that I am "reformed" I think I'd put them back in. You can get the parts on this site.<br /><br />Mark
 

dmcomp

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Re: Poppet and Thermostat Question

Thanks for the reply Mark, It sounds like a delicate balance between temperature and pressure, I think I will take your advice and replace them both and get a temperature gauge for the helm. This might sound stupid but what would you class as more practical, A water temperature gauge or a water pressure gauge or do you really need both?<br /><br />Kind Regards,<br />Daryl
 

phatmanmike

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Re: Poppet and Thermostat Question

some times you can " gut " the thermostats, or ditch it and get a washer of similar size to restrict the flow somewhat
 

dmcomp

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Re: Poppet and Thermostat Question

Thanks Mike, Would gutting the thermostat cause any long term issues with the motor? I have had one of my mates tell me about using the washer also but I was worried about any long term problems it may cause and what size centre hole to use. Reliabilty is paramount though, so if you don't think it would cause any long term damage to the top cylinder I will take your advise and gut the thermostat so it can't fail.
 

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Re: Poppet and Thermostat Question

No offense but the stat is only $8 (for mine) from this site and got it in a few days. I wouldn't fool with a washer when the real thing is so inexpensive and readily available. The press relief should be about the same price.<br /><br />The pressure pop off is to by pass the thermostat (larger opening) for high speed running....some say it starts coming off it's seat at 2000ish rpm's. But it does keep pressure against the water in the block, hence keeping it full and keeping it full is what protects the top pistons.<br /><br />The popoff is mostly rubber and I think would last longer than the stat. People on here recommend changing the stat every 2 years. Probably not a bad idea condsidering it could cost you (one did me) an overhaul if it sticks closed at the wrong time.....course now you have overtemp buzzers to tell you when the head gets hot....didn't then. In fresh water maybe not so often.<br /><br />Mark
 
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