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roscoe

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Got a tv question.

What are your general opinions on the DLP sets?

Is this a technology that will still be in the market in a few years? Or is it going away?

If you could get a 42 inch DLP (720p) for the same price as a 37" lcd, would you do it.

Brand is Toshiba, price was $1500, and still is, at many retailers.
I can get one for $750. (new, warranty, not stolen)

Thanks.
 
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i like the dlp sets and i'd say they're here to stay for quite some time. they are quickly replacing all projection sets and becoming the cheapest large screen option. some people see a 'window screen' affect when viewing, but it's a personal thing and something only your own eyes will tell you. bulb is the biggest maintenance issue, but not a big deal.

what i don't like is the 720p sets, would really go with a 1080. but the price will jump so that may affect your decision.

somewhat ot, but i personally feel the lcos technology is still hands down the best picture. i'd put my sony xbr (1080) picture up against any tv.
 

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Well, a bit of reading will tell you that my Sony dlp has not been trouble free, but overall I am quite happy with it. One optics module and one lamp in 2.5 years of 12-18 hours a day in operation.

No way would I settle for 720 after having a 1080.
 

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DLP is just the latest in what is an everchanging evolution to replace the crt and provide better resolution for HDTV. DLP will be around until something else is developed to replace it. I seen a program not too long ago about a new semiconductor technology to replace the LCD.

One thing is for sure... whatever you buy today is almost certain to be replaced by newer technology tomorrow. My HDTV is now three years old and is a CRT. Works for me.
 

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THanks for the fast input guys.
You all have very good points, much appreciated.


I'm going to take another good look at it today.
I do like the picture, much better than lcd, and the price is attractive, but for the reason(s) that you all listed.

The bulb issue is what really gets me, thinking about how much this will cost over 20 years, makes no sense.

Maybe I'm just stuck with the 20 year old, 26" rca colortrac until it blows up.
 

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The price of lamps varies with the set. For my Sony it was $200 plus shipping. If you are thinking 20 years think only of leading edge technology.
 

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Well, after stopping at several stores, and viewing hundreds of tv's, I was down to 3 choices.
a- a 30" flat TUBE hd for $404
b- a 37" lcd flat panel for $850, but the picture was inferior in my opinion
c- a 40" Sony BRAVIA 40" Flat-Panel LCD HDTV Model: KDL-40S3000 for $1399.

Decided on the Sony.
Superior picture.
Features I will actually use, that others didn't have.
I have always be more than satisfied with Sony products.
It came with a matte black face plate, which will eliminate reflections from the windows, doors, and lights in the room. I am really surprised that more manufacturers don't offer this.

Several plasmas were in the running, eliminated by the glossy glass screen, even though they were much cheaper than the Sony.

The lcd and dlp projections were eliminated by the cost of lamps, the recommended annual service/cleaning, and the environment it will be used in. (don't ask) :)

So, I hope it works, going to try to get it set up tonight, and the HD programming by Tuesday.

"http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8312284&type=product&id=1174091924765"
 

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Sorry that I didnt read this sooner. I moved on the 1st of September and havent had internet again until today.

I think you made a great choice. That Sony is a great TV. We usually cannot keep them stocked at my store. HD will look great on it!

I really prefer LCD to just about anything.......though that being said, I have all of them.
  1. Toshiba 50" DLP 720p
  2. Sony 26" LCD
  3. Toshiba 30" HDTV Tube
  4. Samsung 42" Plasma

The picture is by far the best on that Sony. There is no question about it. The DLP however is my second favorite TV. Not only for its size, but it has a much better picture quality than anyone expects. The Home Theatre Installer at my store and I are good friends and he has been at my new place 2 or 3 times to watch football on that TV, and he is thinking about purchasing one now.

JB- I am confussed at your comment. Your Sony is 1080i, which is NOT as good as 720p. 1080P is as good as you can get right now, but cable and satellite dont broadcast in it, and really only blu ray players can do it properly. 720P is a GREAT resolution.......you are not "settling" for it by any means......its second only to 1080P

If anyone wants to see a really nice picture take a look at the new 1080P LCDs at 120Hz. Put a Blu Ray on one and the picture is so good it looks fake.
 

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you guy,s remember the stereo wars of the late 70,s to mid 80,s ?remember everybody trying to sell you stuff because it had lower distortion numbers than some thing else?i use to drive the salesmen nuts when i said i want to here it and then picked a supposedly inferior stereo.it was in the ears of the beholder.same as tv,s !i love my lcd by prima,has all the usual technal crap on it but what really set it apart from the Sony's and RCA's and Toshiba's was i liked the pic a lot!still do and that,s using any thing be it cable ,sat or dvd.you could put 10 guys in a room with 10 high tec tv,s and get 10 different answers, but the only one that really counts is yours as you have to live with it.
 

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Pony wrote, "JB- I am confussed at your comment. Your Sony is 1080i, which is NOT as good as 720p. 1080P is as good as you can get right now, but cable and satellite dont broadcast in it, and really only blu ray players can do it properly. 720P is a GREAT resolution.......you are not "settling" for it by any means......its second only to 1080P"

Now I am confused. What, exactly, are the differences among 1080i, 720P and 1080P?

I would need new eyes to notice any better picture than I get on local HDTV broadcasts. The HD I get from DirecTV is nearly as good.

Regular satellite pictures seem fuzzy after watching HD.
 

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JB it isnt really much of an issue....just this comment "No way would I settle for 720 after having a 1080" is really a misnomber and I wanted to clear up a misconception and wasnt very clear. I often forget that my frame of reference is quite different being that I look at these things daily.

Well first the main distinction is that "i" stands for interlaced and "p" stands for progressive scan. 1080 and 720 refer to lines of resolution. Interlacing is when the TV is displaying only every other line of resolution at any given time. So a 1080i broadcast is displaying 540 alternating lines 50 to 60 times per second. IF the picture is not moving, the sharpness is superior......however 720p is far better when it comes to motion. With lots of motion 1080i will seem to flicker. The 720p braodcast displays the full 720 lines of resolution 24 to 60 times per second. This is why Fox and ESPN use 720p for their native resolution, and Discovery Channel uses 1080i. It really depends on what you are watching, but most of the time we are watching sports or movies or something where there is lots of screen movement..................hence 720p is often (not always) more desireable. 720p is the highest resolution posible for motion resolution that is currently broadcast. This is why I prefer it.

A 720p TV usually (especially new ones) will have the ability to display 1080i through deinterlacing. So really is both a 720p/1080i TV...........depending on what you are watching.

1080p is considered full HD and is the best that you can get currently. Nothing is broadcast in it though. You can only take advantage of it with a 1080p TV and source (ie blu ray). A lot of people simply dont have the visual acuity to see the difference between the formats unless the screen size is really big or they are sitting very close to the set.

JB your regular Satelite looks blurry after HD because it may only be 480p. It may even still be 1080i in resolution but has been upscaled so it looses some picture definition. 720P, 1080i, and 1080p are all HD. The differences are very subtle.....as said many cannot tell the difference. Being that your TV is a few years old it may only do 1080i and not even be able to display 720p. I can't remember your model number off hand.........It really doesnt matter too much anyways. Both have their advantages.

Here is a good article.

"Is 720p vs 1080i worth being concerned about? Yes and no. If you're a consumer looking for a new TV, you can happily ignore the 720p vs 1080i debate because every TV which is described as HDTV or HDTV Ready is required to support both formats.

NOTE: You should be aware though that lots of TVs which support 1080i have fewer than 1080 lines and so scale the 1080 signal down. That's not a huge issue as even scaled down 1080i is far ahead of a regular NTSC signal. It is worth bearing in mind that more expensive HDTVs tend to have better scalers than cheaper ones, and this may be an issue.

However, for broadcasters it's a live issue. Should they broadcast 1080 lines of interlaced video or 720 lines of progressive scan? They could just broadcast two signals, one in each format, but that would use up a huge chunk of bandwidth and be hugely expensive for very little gain.

To answer the question, it's important to understand the difference between 720p vs 1080i. A 720p signal is made up of 720 horizontal lines. Each frame is displayed in its entirety on-screen for 1/30th of a second. This is know as progressive scan (hence the 'p')The quality is like watching 30 photographic images a second on TV. A 1080i signal comprises 1080 horizontal lines but all the lines are not displayed on-screen simultaneously. Instead, they are interlaced (hence the 'i'), ie every other lines is displayed for 1/60th of a second and then the alternate lines are displayed for 1/60th of a second. So, the frame rate is still 30 frames per second, but each frame is split into two fields, which your brain then puts together subconsciously.

Most of the time interlacing works fine, but for fast moving images, such as sports like baseball and hockey it can cause problems which manifest themselves as a 'stepping' effect on-screen. Progressive scan signals don't have this problem and so are better suited to sports.

ESPN puts it like this: 'Progressive scan technology produces better images for the fast moving orientation of sports television. Simply put, with 104 mph fastballs in baseball and 120 mph shots on goal in hockey, the line-by-line basis of progressive scan technology better captures the inherent fast action of sports. For ESPN, progressive scan technology makes perfect sense.'

Bottom line? For us, as consumers 720p vs 1080i is not a debate worth worrying about, so you can relax and focus on all the other criteria on your list when you buy your next HDTV"
 

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NO NO NO NO NO!

Suffer the 5 inch loss in display size and buy LSD.

LCD is superior to plasma,dlp, and projection for several reasons. As stated in another post, the most important in my eyes is the fact that LCD does not experience screen burn-in as do plasma/projection sets. Plus, LCD last longer than just about anything on the market and, its future proof for some time longer.

If your serious and got $$$ go LCD whenever you can. Period.
 

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Thanks, Pony.

Now I understand. :)
 

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NO NO NO NO NO!

Suffer the 5 inch loss in display size and buy LSD.

LCD is superior to plasma,dlp, and projection for several reasons. As stated in another post, the most important in my eyes is the fact that LCD does not experience screen burn-in as do plasma/projection sets. Plus, LCD last longer than just about anything on the market and, its future proof for some time longer.

If your serious and got $$$ go LCD whenever you can. Period.

A. He did buy an LCD....so I am not sure why you are ranting.

B. Plasmas and LCDs now have approximately the same life expectancy (Plasma USED to be much less)

C. Plasmas really no longer have a burn in issue because of pixel shift technology.

D. Plasmas have superior contrast ratios, which make for much richer color. They are the way to go if you watch lots of movies and a PERFECT for situations where there is not a lot of light. I'm guessing that you have never seen a 60" 1080p Pioneer.........because it is superior to ANY LCD I have put next to it.

E. You would be surprised how many LCDs expirience Panel problems in only a years time of use. Very rarely does a Plasma come fback for a service repair......LCDs come back daily.


Each technology is better that the others in some settings. To blindly state that one is Superior is IMO being misinformed about the technologies. As stated previously I own just about every one of the technologies out there...... they each can be superior given a certain situation.
 

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Thanks, Pony.

Now I understand. :)


I didnt mean to be so wordy. Glad I could help:) If you have any other questions JB, just shoot me a PM. I am more than willing to respond. I live for this stuff.
 
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