Politics, Relegion, Catch and Release

brownies

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I was shocked at what I was just told. And, I'm pretty sure that fellow was shocked at what I said.<br />Couple of days ago I caught some wall art (It wasn't my first 10lb bass (3rd)...but...it was the 1st 10lb bass I'd caught while fishing for bass). <br />I was fishing for other fish (crappie/walley) and pulled in a couple bass just as big before and even those were FAR FAR between. Just didn't feel right about sticking one of those on the wall so, I let em go.<br />(I may need you to come back to that later).<br /> Anyway. Out in search of a bass and I caught what I considered to be "art". He's headed at the taxidermist now.<br />Here's the problem.<br />Seems the politically correct thing to do is Catch and Release. AND, not from an environmental standpoint.<br />I was looking at websites trying to find a suitable taxidermist and kept seeing the reproductions. Picture and measurements and well fiberglass a fish right up for ya. I even called one of them and asked what I should do 1st about getting the fish to them.<br />This fellow almost came unglued! Listed as a taxidermist and was SHOCKED that I wanted him to do a real fish skin on something that was the size of my fish. He seemed bewildered that I didn't let it go.<br />This shocked me and caught me by suprise also. I had no answer for him at the time and APOLOGIZED and hung up.<br />I then began to question myself, followed by justifying myself. (not outloud though).<br />So, I thought I'd throw this can of worms out here and see how bad of a person I really am.<br /><br />I guess walmart needs to start selling stuffed fish. There's no need for there to be a real fish. "Wow Pop, Billy's Dad didn't catch that same fish that you didn't catch! And his was 1/2 price on the clearance rack."<br />Hunting? Lets get rid of the guns and only use cameras.<br />Tournaments are fine though. Keep a fish in a box all day, exhaust it, and let it go miles from anything it's ever known and pat yourself on the back. <br /><br />Govt agencies know more about what needs to be done to increase or decrease a population of most anything. They have the equipment, resources, history, etc.<br />I can't see underwater, but, I know when I was younger I drove way way way too fast every day over 50 miles of mountain curves just seeing how fast I could take those curves. If somebody hit a deer it was "how?!"... <br />Now you better drive slow and watch because seeing a herd in the road every few days is normal. This is due to hunting management. <br />Just like fishing and slot limits, length limits, seasons, etc.<br />A 14" length limit is not in place for ONE reason. It's there for two reasons. (let short ones go and keep the others). <br />A healthy population of bass is not a few hogs and it's not packed with dinks.<br />Sport fishing may be like sport hunting...with an option. <br />Is abuse of this option bad or good?<br />I don't think I'll ever change what I do on the water. If the fish is legal and I have no use for it "trophy or food", I'll let it go.<br />Just wondering How wrong I am for thinking like this?<br />(they did tell me "you can't tell the difference in a real fish and a replica"....Well, I'd know it and if it wasn't the fish I caught...it just wouldn't really mean much to me).<br /> I wouldn't sell my Dad's first and only Ranger bass boat either...but...I sure wouldn't buy one "like" it.
 

MRS

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brownies, I was out with a kid fishing one day and the kid caught a 15in bass first bass and was so proud first thing someone in a bass boat drives right up to us and says you better let that one go. :mad: I told them to go do something to them self they left I explaned to the kid what it was all about that all worked out great that day and we did catch more smaller ones and we did let them go because we wanted to we took photos with the kids fish and then we cooked and ate the fish with some crappie that we also keep that day It was a great day and the kid still fishes today. Sometimes it is ok to be a hookem and cookum fisherman with out feeling like a criminal in my book anyways.
 

brownies

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I sure try to see both sides of it, but, I had trouble even finding a taxidermist that wasn't pushing reproductions by searching that word "taxidermist".<br />Then I get lectured by one??? (I felt bad when I got off the phone......)<br /> Even heard a littel bit of the same when I told a buddy of mine about the fish.<br /> I've never told him...<br /> "Hey Bob, nice 12pt, Better get him outa the truck before that tranquilizer wears off...." <br />....Yeah rite...<br /> I guess hunters hear it also (killed Bambi)...but, the fishing polital correctness stuff is just everwhere.<br /> "Turn em back so the next generation has something to catch."<br /> A 10lb bass around here isn't going to live that much longer and he's probably gobbled up hordes of next generations fish for quite some time already. (my opinion)<br /> I know a person can justify about anything one way or another. <br />Just wanting some opinions to make sure my self justification wasn't too much of "just that".
 

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Hey, brownies I forgot one very important thing if it is right to you you will know it. Have a very Marry Christmas and a happy New Year. :)
 

CN Spots

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Catch and Release is a suggestion, not a religion. It was conceived by anglers who had spent their entire lives catching trophy fish only to watch those numbers dwindle in the last few decades. The Govt. tries to help improve fishing quality with slot/qty limits but these are mostly geared towards quantity of mature, spawing age fish. If someone catches a hog, it's up to them to decide it's fate. Bass anglers (in the last 20 years) tend to lean towards releasing all trophy bass for another day. I personally caught and released one perticular bass in a pond with a split lower jaw seven times. Smaller fish, on the other hand, are in danger of my fry daddy. Not just to protect trophies but also because they contain less chemicals from our modern enviorment. You had every right to keep that fish (G. W. Perry ate his) but in your attempt to assure it's authenticity you denied anybody else that feeling you had when you caught it. You admitted that fish that size are rare there and I'll bet that it had been caught before. I'm not picking on you here, just trying to help you understand why some people feel so strongly about c & r. Most folks will excuse a "personal best" award though and a 10 pounder certainly counts. Congrats. :) <br /><br />spots
 

LubeDude

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You shouldnt feel bad at all, You caught it legaly, you can do whatever you want with it, that includes planting it under your wife roses if ya want to. (Not that Im suggesting that). The taxidermist was totally wrong in doing what he did.<br /><br />Here on my home lake they have just recently put a limit of 15" on Bass. If they are 15", they have to be put back, you cant even keep one to mount. I think it was totally unnecesary as there are plenty of large fish in this lake. The smaller ones are indeed the best eating though. I guess we will see in a few years if there are indeed even more big fish, I guess that would be a good thing in the long run.
 

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I have sevral (ponds) tanks on my place many times when the water level was low, or even when it has ben high for sevral years at a time we have overstocking problems. I tell thoes fishing there to eat (keep) anything over 1/2 # its the only way to keep any sort of balance. If I dont I wind up with a tank full of 1/2 #s that are undernourished. Feeding is not the answer, its unhealthy for the fish, soon they have eat up all the bait fish. Im not saying thats the answer on public waters, they have much more fishing pressure. Ill let fish and game decide that and abide by thier rules.
 

brownies

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I think it may have been the "push" from the taxidermists that I found, which was the majority of an internet search. The "push" toward selling reproductions.<br /> Looks like the marketing strategy is to make a person feel so bad about "keeping/killing" a fish that they will buy a reproduction instead.<br /> It didn't hit me as a "sales strategy" at the time. <br /> Now that I think about it though....I don't see a better marketing strategy if you want to sell reproductions.<br /> <br />Makes me wonder if there is a market for a photo of the fish you didn't catch? I could see how this would come in handy if you caught a big fish, let it go, and didn't have a camera in the boat......hmmm??
 

phantoms

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What's to keep someone else from using a picture they got off the net to have a reproduction made and claim they caught it? If you're going to mount a fish, it should be the fish you caught. <br /><br />Don't take the hogs, leave them for someone else to catch. In doing this, does it mean the next guy really caught that hog? He caught a fish that's big becuase no one else kept him. He caught a fish that is use to eating someone's bait and getting thrown back in. What's not to say that record fish caught in recent years (any species) were only caught as a record because someone previously released them.<br /><br />But in the end, to each their own as long as they don't impose their beliefs on everyone else.
 

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I don't agree with the line of the taxidermist but I will say this, I wish repro's had been much cheaper back when I had my mount made. <br /><br />Today, skin mounts cost just as much as a repro yet they just don't last. I'd prefer to take photo's and measurements of the fish, release it and then have the repro made. I still think it's a personal choice though.<br /><br />Keeping a few fish for the table is fine in my book but why keep bass? On the flavor scale they're pretty far down oon the taste scale. <br /><br />As for anyone being able to take a photo of a fish to a taxidermist and getting a repro made claiming that they caught it. If that's what tickles his fancy it's OK by me. I'm not all that impressed with how many hawgs a guy has hanging on his wall. I've caught plenty of over 5lb fish, (in fact, big LM bass are basically what I fish for anymore). I have one on the wall but pictures of plenty more and some I never got photo's of. Lot's of folks thought I was full of BS about the large bass I caught till they went out with me and saw me catch them. I guess I just don't care to "advertise" my success. ;)
 

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I have no problem with people keeping their fish. They caught it, they earned it. Me, I am strictly catch it, photo it, release it. I don't want to be bothered with gutting and mounting and all that. I am not into having stuffed things hanging on my wall, I just like the process of catching, and like having the pic to prove it wasn't a "fish tale"... "It was THIS big....."
 

koolerb

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I don't keep any game fish, I throw all the Pike and Bass back. When it's time for a fish dinner I grab the kids and we catch a bucket full of pan fish. That being said, if you caught it, you have the right to keep it if you want to.
 

muskyone

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i keep fish i shoot bambi and i sleep well at night
 

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you better hope peta dont see your post :p :p :p :p :p <br /> <br /> <br /> happy holidays
 

heycods

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Musky1 is a member of peta.People eating tasty animals. :D
 

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You know, states could go to a very limited limit (3 bass would be much better here in Michigan) and then provide punch-outs, say one to three a year, for your true trophy fish. But the model fish is a great invention: on my wall, I have a 20" bluegill, the new world record Largemouth (35 pounds), and a pike that spans the width of the patio doors and windows. I won't mention the guppy over the fireplace; you'd probably call me a liar. Hey, girls and boys, guilt and fishing are antithetical. Most anglers are much better about releasing fish nowadays. We've got a good start. Don't forget, the holder of the bass record also fed his family with that critter. <br />----------------<br />Today's tip: They're either bitin' or they're not.
 

gonefishie

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I kept my trophy because I've told myself for years that if I ever caught a 10 or more pounder. I'll mounts it and it will be the only one. There is nothing wrong with keeping one trophy for the memory. There are lots more trophy fish out there but they're rare to catch so people just don't think they're out there. By the way brownies, it Feb. now do you have it mounted yet? Lets see some pictures.
 

jtexas

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Yep, I generally keep a low profile on my local fishing board when it comes to keeping largemouth bass of any size...some people are dang near terroristic about it. On slot lakes I keep 12-14 inchers for the dinner table, mmmmmm, can't beat 'em. Never mind that the reason for the slot is to thin out the smaller ones so they big 'uns can grow better.<br /><br />It's your fish. You bought the license, that taxidermist is a nut! A 9 or 10 pounder is going on my wall, you bet. A 13+ is going to the fisheries center for a breeding program they have here...ya get a free fiberglass replica in exchange.
 

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Nothing wrong with YOUR actions. You are well withing your legal rights, so don't sweat the jerk "taxidermist." Truth be known, he probably doesn't know how to do a real mount.<br /><br />Fiberglass mounts do last longer, and the last I priced them were about 1/2 the price of the real ones.<br /><br />BTW, I have a REAL striper, perch, and sailfish hanging on my office wall. (and a couple of ducks also)
 

muskyone

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The way I look at it is you buy a license to keep what you catch if so desired other wise what’s the need for one the lakes would be teaming with fish and stocking would not be necessary in most cases it’s not a moral decision it’s your right most people don’t invest there hard earned money to throw back every fish they catch I’m at about 50 musky in my life and I have one that I’ve kept and I look at it hanging on the wall with pride I have a lot of cash into lures, boat, rods.
 
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