Penzoil or Havoline?

[ZmOz]

I finally decided it's time to stop paying 2 bucks for barely 16 oz of Quicksilver oil. K-mart has a gallon of Havoline 2 cycle oil for $5.99 or a gallon of Penzoil for $6.99. Both are TCW-3. Is one better than the other? Also would it be a bad idea to mix two different brands of oil in the same tank of gas?<br /><br />Thanks

 

[CharlesW]

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Not looking for an argument, just want to be sure I understand what has been said.<br />The comment about mixing oils sometimes causing gelling caught my eye. I read a statement fairly recently where an individual said that one of the requirements of TC-W3 certification was for the oils to be compatible with any other TC-W3 certified oil. Is this a requirement you were not aware of, or was the info I read not correct?<br />Charles

 

[CharlesW]

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Thanks. My problem is that I am such a noobie to outboards that I tend to think eveything I read is probably correct. I do know that is not the case, but I still have a tough time figuring out what is right and what isn't. I happen to use Evinrude TC-W3, even with it's extra cost. Don't use a lot, so the difference isn't that great. The fact that both mechanics in the shop I frequent use it also helped with my decision.<br />Charles

 

[bubbakat]

Re: Penzoil or Havoline?

I my self prefer the penzoil brand . No particular reason just what I have always used.

 

[lakeman1999]

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It is possible that the poorest tcw3 on the market would tbe nmma certified. All tcw3 oil comes up to specs for all engione manufacturers, but only the ones that pay the nmma $1000.00 dollars gets certified by them. So if you have a tcw3 oil, and want to be certified, you pay the nmma (union, mfg assc. etc) the bribe, and you are nmma certified. That is why some engine manufacturers oil is not certified, although it is approved by Yamaha, suzuki, etc. So the nmmc certification is a ripoff, like belonging to any other organization, because it is just a bribe to get certified by them. Ha, ha, Harity, har, har.

 

[CharlesW]

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Posted by Lakeman1999: "It is possible that the poorest tcw3 on the market would tbe nmma certified. All tcw3 oil comes up to specs for all engine manufacturers, but only the ones that pay the nmma $1000.00 dollars gets certified by them. So if you have a tcw3 oil, and want to be certified, you pay the nmma (union, mfg assc. etc) the bribe, and you are nmma certified."<br /><br />So that's how Wal*Mart does it? <br /><br />Just jerking your chain. <br />Charles

 

[catfish1]

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hey lakeman, i dint know that! i'm kinda like bubbacat, i have always used pennzoil but i went to wallmart yesterday to get some, and they are all out! they wont be getting any more until the next boating season. they put up all the boating stuff to make room for the hunting season. so i got the supertech! i was wondering though, why do they have so much supertech on the shelf, and no pennzoil?

 

[seahorse5]

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lakeman,<br /><br />It costs a company over $100,000 to have independent labs conduct the NMMA comparison tests to certify an oil TC-W3. Then there is the annual registration fee. The fee is to support the quality control program where they pull different oils off the store shelves and run them thru test to make sure the oil company is still using the same formula that was certified.

 

[lakeman1999]

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As long as it is tcw3 it is OK, the Nmma certification does not mean a **** thing, it is just a bribe to get their name on the container, and them to make money for their organization.

 

[vista4u2]

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My 2 cents worth - As far as I'm concerned, any BRAND NAME TCWC-3 oil will be just fine for us part time/weekend users, like most of us are. Your motor will notice no difference, and perform no differently - mine hasn't. I buy what ever name brand oil is on sale. The other day the guy at Checker Auto offered me his remaining stock of Valvoline for $1.00 a quart, so I happily bought it all. The only possible exception might be long haul, daily useage engines such as with Coast Guard, Border Patrol, etc. In my opinion, paying 3+ times as much for Quicksilver and the like does nothing extra for your engine, the only benefit is in ones mind that they paid for what they think is the best. And hey, if you have the means, then go for it! I'll continue to buy whats on sale.

 

[gss036]

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I run a 1989 Mercury 200hp. When I bought it I also bought a large quanity of Mercury oil in 2 1/2 gals containers. 140 hours/13 months later, I put a rod thru the block. Mercury would not help, but I had an after market extended warranty, they paid for a new power head, except the sales tax. I sold the Mercury oil and bought a 55 gallon drum of Exxon 2 stroke from a oil distributor for $4.25 gal. It ran great, only problem I had was that it started to jell as I got down to the last few gallons. Mixed it up and ran it w/o any problems. Since then I used Texaco 2 stroke from K-Mart, then switched to Penzoil because K-Mart quit carrying the Texaco brand. Probably gone through 50+ gallon of that stuff. Just had my motor in last week for new head gaskets(about every 2-3 years in saltwater) the owner of the shop said the inside of the engine looked great. No skuffing or marking. I have well over a 1000 hours on my motor. Just my 2 cents. I will continue with Penzoil as long as I can get it. Our local Costco store sells Mercury for about $12.00 a gal. It does not seem to go out the door very fast though.

 

[gss036]

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I went to K-Mart to restock and they nolonger are able to buy Penzoil in gallons? Wonder why? Then ran over to Wal-mart and they only had WALLY(Tech) oil or else penzoil synthetic blend. Anybody know what is going on?<br />I may have to go to Costco and pay $12 for Merc oil.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Penzoil or Havoline?

Are 2 cycle outboards, today, using oil injection or are you still mixing it in the gas?

 

[catfish1]

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gss036, kmart & walmart feel the boating season is about over, so they are bringing out the hunting supplies. thats why you cant find the oil you want! who buys that 100% synthetic? not many! thats why its still on the shelf. same with the supertech. i bought the supertech, i'm sure it will work just fine.

 

[kozman01]

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Look at some WalMart's in your area. Mine had ALL the boating stuff on clearence. 50% off. I bought all the semi-synth. gear lube(Lubrimatic) quarts at 2 dollars and some change and all the Penzoil syn. oil at I think 2 dollars or less a pint. I pretty much bought any fitting/oil/cleaner/light/spark plug, etc. because it was all 50% off. I had a big bill, but I also had a shopping cart full of stuff that I will use and paid nothing for it. The Walmart's mark this stuff down store by store so check it out, it'll be worth your time.

 

[gss036]

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I asked the guy at Walt-Mart about the supertech, said it was either Valveline or Texaco, who knows. There can't be that many companies who make the stuff. I stopped by Boaters World and they now have their on name brand of oil, did not bother asking who made thiers.<br />I personally think as long at it says TCW3 approved it is OK.

 

[gss036]

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I happend to wander back into Wal-Mart last week and looked to see what they had, nothing but super tech. I again asked another manager who made the oil and was told Shell. I don't think they know for sure. <br />WHO MAKES WAL-MART Super-tech TCW3 oil??? Anyone know?.

 

[roscoe]

Re: Penzoil or Havoline?

Pennzoil/Quaker-State makes the wally-oil.

 

[seahorse5]

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Gee, do you think that Walmart just puts out bids for the cheapest oil that can be labeled TC-W3, so that different batches are from different companies?<br /><br />The oil tests in Bass and Walleye Boats a few years ago showed that Walmart oil had the same formula as Exxon Superflo, and that all the other lubes tested were comepletely different from each other.

 

[roscoe]

Re: Penzoil or Havoline?

There are probably less than 10 manufacturers of tcw3, including the synthetics.<br /><br />The largest of which are the Keebler elves. They use waste oil from the baking to produce some fine oils.