Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

Kiwi Phil

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Over the past 12 months I have had to rebuild my business to meet the changing demands of the Chain Store Supermarkets I supply.<br />Old hands will recall my previous questions regarding Quality Assurance/Product Packaging/Gift Ideas to Buyers (pens/caps etc) etc etc. All suggestions have been welcomed.<br /><br /> When you are in my situation you tend to suffer from Tunnel Vision.<br />When you call on a specilized Company for assistance/ideas, all you get is what they do.<br /><br />My next issue to deal with is Packaging from my gate to the shop floor.<br /><br /> Background. <br />Supermarket Chains are changing the packaging in the Fresh Produce area.<br /><br />Past: <br />The grower packed his produce in a box that suited him, and when it arrived at the Store, it was taken out and displayed for sale.<br /> Current: <br /> The Chain has gone to RCPC (Recyclable Collapsable Plastic Crates). They come collapsed, on a pallet, to the grower. He opens them up, packs his product in them, pallets them, and when at the Store, staff place these crates direct on shelf. Customer takes from crate. When empty staff collapse, pallet them, off to cleaners, then back to grower. We are charged a rental.<br /><br />My product does not fit the 4 different sizes of RCPC, so they allow me to pack in to Polystyrene Broccoli Boxes with lids.<br /> Problems. <br />1. My product falls over. It has moisture in the bottom. We have to spend time padding scrunched up news paper at ends for support.<br />2. Store staff have to unpack and place in a display tray we supply, these stays in store.<br />3. Store staff do not put small ones in front, large in rear,name labels facing front etc.<br />4. Sooner or later some half witted Exec from Head Office is going to pick up on this, and his easiest option is to delete us as a supplier.<br /><br /> Action Needed: <br />Product packed by me in packaging that can be used in shop display and customer buys from.<br /><br /> My Ideas to date: <br />I have a Carboard box custom made<br />Black in exterior Colour (all RCPC's are black)<br />A perforated line, high at back, slope on sides, low in front, so staff can tear off top half.<br />Inside carton, have dividers (like they use in Wine Boxes) so each product sits upright (supported).<br />We pack so largest at back, smallets at front, all labels facing forward.<br />All store Staff do is, take of pallet, cut top off, place in display gondolas....bingo....<br /><br />If anyone has any ideas, no matter how insignificant they may seem, then fire them over to me.<br />Maybe you saw eggs packaged differently, or maybe it was jars or bottles, I don't mind. I just want to get ideas together.<br />Did you see a similar product last week in your Supermarket?<br />How was it displayed?<br />Is it worth taking a photo of?<br /> Anything. ?????<br /><br />The photos below show my product (oh yes, it is fresh living Herbs, in pots, with small amount of water in bottom) in 5 or so Supermarkets.<br /><br />As you can see, all displays are different. <br /> I need to standardise it across all 70 Supermarkets I supply, so if you are the customer, no matter which store you go to, there they are, identical to every other store in the chain.<br /><br />Sorry to drag this thread out.<br />It is critical to me.<br />Thanks guys.<br />Cheer<br />Phillip<br /><br />(by the way, remember I discussed colour and layour of display sleeves way back. There they are, courtesy of all the advice you guys put forward).<br />Costings are below if you are interested.<br /><br />
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<br /><br />Recycled Styro Boxes cost $1.20 ea.<br />Plain Carboard box the same<br />Colour black and perforation line extra...not known.<br />Dividers in box...not known, but Time and Motion Study tells me it takes 14cents of labout to scrunch up and place newspaper in box, so I will save that.
 

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Re: Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

How does your product get delivered to the supermarket?<br /><br />Do they get stacked on pallets, are they sent with 3rd party transport company, do they need any special conditions durring transport etc.
 

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Re: Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

To be honest I think you have it pretty well thought out. But you should as it's your business. ;) <br />Now please correct me if I have it wrong but here is what I like about your idea.<br /><br />A: You will be complying with the new packaging trend in color and size.<br />B: Getting rid of wadded paper is a plus for you and the store. Remember they have to deal with sending them (the containers) back and throwing away the paper.<br />C: Anytime you can control how your product is displayed is a plus as you mentioned.<br />D: If I were a stock person and had to do the extra work your display would be the last one I worked on. <br /><br />Now I have a question or two for you.<br />If the stock person just opens, tears the top off this is good. But what happens to the top?<br />If sent in to be cleaned do they reattach it or you pay another top or new box?<br /><br />Anyway to design it so that the top is folded back and up under the bottom?<br /><br />Those are my two silly questions.<br /><br />Now we are going to be going to several store in the next three days that sell stuff like that.<br />I keep a digetial camera in the van so if we see something interesting Ill take a snapshot.<br /><br />Link
 

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Re: Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

Answers <br /> RPJS. <br />They are loaded on to pallets here, 3rd Party Truck Co who deal only with Produce.<br />They are delivered to the Supermarket Central Distribution Depot<br />They are then distributed to "bins" (caged area, one for each Supermarket - loaded on to a pallet with other produce going to that Store)<br />Distributed out too Stores.(big stores can take 22 pallets all up)<br /> Special conditions: <br />Direct Refrigeration a no-no (burns off Basil, so box needs top seal/cover, not air-tight, just to prevent cold air 'falling on to product".<br /><br />This is it in packaged form at moment.<br /><br />
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<br /><br /> Link:<br /> <br />A. Yes<br />B. Yes for existing Styro containers.<br /> No if I use a Cardboard Box, set up as a display box/carton. When finished, straight in to the compactor.<br />C. Yes<br />D. That is exactly what happens. Anita merchandises in person/by phone. Been known for stock to sit out back for 2 days.<br /><br /><br /> Answers to your Q. <br />The complete unit is carboard. Straight in to the compactor. Not recycled back to me. The plastic Crates and the styro are.<br /><br />Folded back-and-up. Hang on, now thats and idea i never thought of <br />Saves the stockman one complete task dosn't it. Bit like those lolly bar boxes...the inside has printing/promotion of product on it. <br />That is an excellant idea . <br />I will work on that.<br />Anita said they do same with aerosols of Hair Spray etc.<br /><br />Had another wine and fag outside, and worked out that would save me:<br />100 meters of tape per week<br />45 mins time in taping lids up.<br />Savings would cover costs of printing carboard etc.<br />We already put lids on styros.<br /><br /> Thank you very much <br /><br />Look forward to photos if you come across anything Link.<br />Thanks too RPJS, as a solid lid is an idea that has come from your Q re special conditions.<br /><br />Great.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

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Re: Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

I'm doing a lot of work with a UK company at the moment with the same spec as you have Phil. Low value, high volume, delicate product.<br /><br />They have been looking for a direct to shelf packaging solution for a while and have come up with a pre formed polyprop tray divided into 25 sections (5x5) with a slip over polyprop top, the top is castlated to give plenty of strength for stacking and held in place with an easy peel tape. The idea being that the shelf stacker need only peel away the tape and lift the top off before the product is ready for display. If you have ever carried 4 pints in one of those cardboard trays at a test match you have an idea of what I'm talking about.<br />I have to see my customer in about 2 weeks time to commision a line, I'll try to get some photos.
 
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Re: Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

Buy out the competition. :nojoke:
 

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On BBC foods I saw an interesting concept which is going to be hard to explain. They had used it to transport seedlings via the post so have to believe that it could work for you. I know a picture is worth a thousand words but no picture so here comes the words.<br /><br />It was a vacuum formed container with multiple cavities. Each cavity was like an irregular hourglas. The bottom was formed to accept the roots and soil, it then narrowed in for the stem /s to protrude through keeping the soil back and then it opened up to take the foiliage. When the two sides were brought together they sealed the container keeping in the moisture. I am not sure if they had breather holes at the top. Vacuum forming may well be an inexpensive form of packaging.<br /><br />If my explanation is unclear give me a shout.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Andrew
 

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Re: Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

I have prepared a crude image of the container in microsoft paint. Would you like it?<br /><br />Cheers<br />Andrew
 

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RPJS <br />I will await the photos if thats ok with you.<br /> Techno <br />Don't mean to be smart, but they follow me, but can't work out what I am doing. One wants to seel out to me, but I'm not paying.<br /> Andrew <br />Send it over......can you do it here?<br /><br />Thanks everybody.<br />Very much appreciated.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

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Hi Phillip,<br /><br />amateur quick drawing but you will get the idea.<br /><br />If your mould designer is any good he will make indentations and matching protrubences in the sides that work much like a press studs. This will allow you to "stick" them together in the width and the height to give a say a 3 x 4 layer = Dozen and then these can be stacked on each other if you get my meaning.<br /><br /> Pot <br /><br />The red line is wher it splits.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Andrew
 

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Re: Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

Thanks Andrew. I understand that.<br />As opposed to going to the Plastic Manufacturer that makes all our nursery pots/tubs/punnets/cell packs etc, who is BBC you mentioned. <br />All I have to do is track down the supplier of these plants, because they will be purchasing these containers from an industry supplier who has the dies and manufactures in large runs.<br />Who is BBC and do they have an e-mail?<br />Thanks again.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

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Re: Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

Sorry, I should have added:<br />I have all the product catalogues for the Aussie Manufacturers of Nursery related products. Nothing like this has appeared on our market yet.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

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Re: Packaging for my product - any suggestions from anyone - 5 photos included.

As soon as I have the photo's I will post them Phil.<br /><br />I was chatting to my FIL about you problem today and he came up with an idea that at first I thought was a little off the wall, but having given it a bit of consideration it's not that bad.<br /><br />Basicly he came up with the idea of growing your product pre packed!!<br />If you are going to end up with a packaging solution that involves using a clear "plastic" cover over some type of tray which holds as number of your plants in indevidual pots with the printed sleeve, then why not assemble all of the packaging at the start of the growing process and grow the plants within the packaging, the cover would act as a closh.<br />Assembling the packaging would be far simpler with no chance of damaging the product and when the product is ready for dispatch you only have to lift the trays.
 

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Sorry Mate,<br /><br />I was talking about the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) and they have a food channel called BBC Food. On the food channel I happened to see these containers hence the idea.<br /><br />I have been googling to find them but to no avail. I think they are right for you.<br /><br />Good luck mate<br />Andrew
 
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Originally posted by Kiwi Phil:<br /> Techno <br />Don't mean to be smart...
OK, so don't be. ;) Leverage - that's what it's all about.
 
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