Overheating, Head Gasket, Good Compression..I'm Baffled?

grouper249

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First time posting, however many of the testing i've done to date have come from this forum. Thank you all!

Having an overheating problem that is unlike any other that i've tackled. Boat is a 1989 26 Shamrock predator with a 1996 mercruiser 5.7 MPI. Motor has a FWC half-system (block only) and was rebuilt 3 years ago and now has approx 350 hours. Manifold and Elbow are new from 2 years ago (200 hours). Original RWC hoses to the manifolds.

Problem first arose after a 2 hour cruise around tampa bay, when backing down to idle the temp gauge rose from 170 to over 200. I shut her down immediately, waited about 15 minutes, opened the heat exchanger cap, and noticed the HE was empty. refilled about 1 gallon of the 50/50 mix, placed the cap back on, and made it home at 160 degrees. Due note, i've run the boat about 4 times since, and the problem only surfaces when under load and at speed 3200 RPM's after running for 30+ minutes. The engine has been run above 3400 RPM's once since the rebuild.

To date, below are the tests i've gone through.

1) Confirmed RW pump, and associated hoses had no blockage and were "sucking" at appropriate rates (5 gallon bucket in 30 seconds at 700 RPM).
2) pressure tested the HEX (no leaks detected after 15 minutes at 15 lbs )
3) Compression test after engine warm up with biggest drop in compression 6% (165lbs to 155 lbs). No water in cylinders. Also no water in oil.
4) Purchased a exhaust leak detector kit from NAPA and it showed exhaust leaking into the HEX. Also have bubbles in the overflow tube exiting the HEX to the overflow reservoir.

what's puzzling me is compression checks out normal, however it appears i have exhaust gases entering the HEX, (test #4 above), and thus the coolant exiting out the overflow reservoir. When i did the compression check today. i noticed two spark plugs were "extremely" loose, only requiring one full turn to remove them from the block. Lastly, other than the overheating, the motor runs very smooth from idle to cruise with no misses inbetween.

What else could cause the "back" pressure other than a head gasket? Any help would be appreciated.

Jeff
 

Bt Doctur

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Re: Overheating, Head Gasket, Good Compression..I'm Baffled?

missed the 1/2 system, do a compression test with all the plugs out, leakdown test listening to the adjacant cylinders with a section of vac hose with the other end in your ear.
 

grouper249

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Re: Overheating, Head Gasket, Good Compression..I'm Baffled?

the compression #'s posted are with the plugs out after warm up. the only thing strange when testing the "odd" cylinders (1,3,5,7) i seemed to have air exiting out of the #8 cylinder however all compression #'s were normal. Granted i'm mechanically inclined however engine functionality is a relatively new endeavor.
 

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Re: Overheating, Head Gasket, Good Compression..I'm Baffled?

You have a blown head gasket or cracked head. More likely a blown head gasket, but it's only a little blown, meaning that high pressure combustion gases, created during the power stroke, are not being kept in the cylinder, and are blowing into the water jacket. You are not necessarily going to have coolant getting into the cylinders or oil at this point, because of the location of the leak and that it is small, only happening when there is high pressure in the cylinder. Your compression test doesn't show it because that isn't high enough pressure for the leak to occur, but exploding combustion gases ARE enough pressure to make it leak.
Pull the heads and have them checked for cracks and flat surface. Hopefully it will just be a weak head gasket.

Chris
 

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Re: Overheating, Head Gasket, Good Compression..I'm Baffled?

What else could cause the "back" pressure other than a head gasket?

Ayuh,... I'm guessin' a cracked head, probably between the valves...
 

Don S

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Re: Overheating, Head Gasket, Good Compression..I'm Baffled?

With even a very small compression leak, one that may not even show up on a compression test, over time will build up pressure in the heat exchanger.
You may be able to see it leaking by filling the cooling system, leave the cap of, you will see bubbles if there is a leak.
The fact that your exhaust gas test failed indicates there is a problem with getting combustion gases in the antifreeze.

Try this, top off the cooling system, leave the cap off. Now do a partial leakdown test on each cylinder. No need to look for numbers or listen for leaks. Just go from cylinder to cylinder pressurizing each one to 100psi until you find the one that causes bubbles in the heat exchanger. Test all to make sure there isn't a problem with 2 or more cylinders.

You can then know which cylinder/s to focus your inspection on when you pull the heads.
 
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