Outdrive is quite warm to touch (where the beraings are sitting).

babikov

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I had to repair a leak of the gear-case oil in the upper part of Alpha One Gen II. Both the seal had to be replaced and the surface of the yoke had to be repaired (by installing a sleeve). All done, no problem.

But, when I started putting the driveshaft assembly together I realized that my torque wrench is too coarse (starts at 20 in-lb) to set the correct preload on the bearings. I checked local automotive shops and neither carried a suitable wrench. Even on e-bay those cost near $200. Worst of all is that I had no time to order anything from anywhere, since I had to depart for short vacations, TAKING BOAT WITH ME. So, I decided to do a temporary fix, and take more careful care of it when I will have more time.

Here is what I decided. Since the boat will only be used lightly (for fishing on a small lake, may be 10 min rides one way, few times per day) without any extensive runs or large loads (like skiers) I decided to put the bearing in with an approximate preload. Most probably, I set it somewhat tighter than 5 in-lb. And is probably less than 10 in-lb. I understand that too much preload will eventually damage the bearing, but, the bearing although looked solid and turned smooth, had some dark spots on the outside surfaces. So, again, I decided that I will replace the bearings when I will have time. For now, I decided to put them in. If incorrect preload kills them, that fine. All I need from them is to survive one week of vacations.

So, I tried the boat today, and did not see any problems with shifting or speed. I also tried touching the outdrive surface to check its temperature. I found that near the area of the bearings the body of the outdrive is warm after running with low RPMS, and is considerably warmer after running for few minutes with about 3000 RPM. This temperature is nothing like the brake drums, you can hold your hands on it. And, it can?t be very hot. since the outdrive is in the water. But, near the bearing spot it is clearly hotter than anywhere else on the outdrive.

So, I have few questions:

First, I never touched the outdrive before, and can?t compare. Thus, my first question is this: Is it OK if the upper part, where the bearings are, is quite warmer than the rest? Is this normal?

Second, how dangerous is the overheating from tight bearings? Can it damage something quickly, or I am OK for a weak??

Finally, where to get that torque wrench when I will try to fix it properly??

Thanks for reading this diary!​

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My boat numbers are: 1993 4.3LX/V6 serial number 0F0244564;
 
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achris

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It's normal for the bearing area to be warm. Without knowing temperatures I can't tell you if it's too warm. We don't know what engine is in front of it. This makes a difference.

If the bearing does seize the result could be as simple as a stopped engine or as bad as a completely destroyed drive. All depends on how the boating gods feel about a job half done. :D

When you redo the torque, you need a torque indicator, not a torque wrench. Have at look at Seekonk for the torque indicator.

Chris.....
 
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babikov

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My numbers are: 1993 4.3LX/V6 serial number 0F0244564;
 

achris

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Personally, I'd be leaving the boat at home for this vacation. Do the job properly with the right tools and be confident the next time you use the boat. The alternative could end up being extremely expensive.
 
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babikov

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Thanks. Just to add. As a thought.

The higher temperatures of upper outdrive at higher RPMs seems to have simple explanation (besides more friction, of course):

I just realized that when the boat "flies" (or glides, not sure what is the right word) the upper part of outdrive is in the air, and has no cooling by the water at all. In contrast, at low RPMs the boat just floats, with drive immersed into water, and with lots of bubbling water around it, which provides good and constant cooling.

My guess about "save" boat use during this temporary fix is this: I will not glide at all, but just go slowly at that small lake...
 

achris

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The terms you're looking for are 'planing' and 'displacement'. Displacement is just pushing the water aside as you go through it, planing it rising up and running across the top. If you are happy to use the boat in displacement and think that will be ok, little I can do to stop you from here. Just be aware that if you overheat those bearings AT ALL, then keep using them (even after you set the torque correctly), they WILL fail, and most likely take the drive housing with them. If you MUST use the boat, then plan on putting new bearings in when you get the torque indicator.

Chris........
 

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Chris is the acknowledged old hand at this. Not me. But I can tell you that I have heard numerous tales of woe from improperly set rolling torque on the top ends of drives. They tend to go pop in short order and a new drive is the next episode in that series.
 

babikov

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Chris and Rick, thanks.

I have already ordered the OEM bearings, those are only $45 on eBay per set, not a big deal. I will also try to find a suitable torque indicator, which is harder. I may wait for an inexpensive used tool to show up on eBay.

Without that tool there is not much I can do. Taking the boat to a dealer is out of question. Their prices are such that fixing this problem at the dealership would cost more than new housing for the upper part of the drive. And, at this time of year, will not be done sooner than in couple weeks...

Since I did not see much heating at low rpms, I guess I will take some risk, and will try to enjoy slow "displacement" through the water for a week... :)
 
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