Outboard Torgue Output

SRFARRAR

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How about this, asked Merc to give me torque numbers for their 115 2-stroke (carbs), 115 Optimax, and 115 4-stroke. Shopping for a new engine & wanted to compare, here's Merc's interesting reply:<br /><br />_______________________________________________<br />Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding your interest in a Mercury engine. We appreciate the opportunity to respond to your concerns.<br /><br />We have discussed your request with our Technical Service Department and regret to inform you that the information you seek is not available to the<br />public as it is proprietary to Mercury.<br /><br />Should you have any other questions or concerns, please contact us.<br /><br />Sincerely, :p <br /><br />Mercury Outboard Customer Service<br />_________________________________<br /><br />Guess I should have seen that coming! :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

SystemF

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Re: Outboard Torgue Output

I myself have wondered why torque figures were so hidden. I went on the net looking everywhere for torque output and couldn't find any. Torque output can be very much more important that horsepower.
 

Forktail

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Re: Outboard Torgue Output

Hi Scott. You can simply figure the Torque yourself by doing a little math. I'll try to explain it best I can. <br /><br />There is a basic formula derived by Mr. James Watt that includes all the constants and unit conversions you need. He made it easy for us to calculate HP using measurements of Torque, so you can use a relationship of HP to get the Torque...<br /><br />But first you have to decide if you're looking for Torque at the engine or at the prop. The maximum HP published will be at the prop. But the maximum RPM where that HP occurs will be at the engine.<br /><br />So you have to figure in the gear reduction. Most outboard manufacturers publish these gear ratios.<br /><br />For example if the 115 HP has a gear reduction of 13:28 you would divide the 28 turns of the engine by the 13 turns of the prop to get a 2.15 reduction (you could also count gear teeth).<br /><br />With an outboard, you can treat the gear reduction directly as a Torque multiplier and RPM reducer at the prop.<br /><br />As an example, with a gear reduction of 2.15 we can find the acutal prop rpm at an engine RPM of 5500. 5500 RPM/2.15 = 2558 RPM at the prop.<br /><br />Now using Watt's help, we can find the Torque at the prop... <br /><br />HP = (Torque X RPM)/5252<br /><br />So...for an outboard producing 115 HP at max prop speed of 2558 RPM...<br /><br />115 HP = (Torque X 2558 RPM)/5252<br /><br />(115 X 5252)/2558 = Torque = 236 ftlbs at the prop.<br /><br />You know the gear reduction increased the Torque to the prop and decreased its RPM, so we can use the same gear reduction to calculate actual engine Torque.<br /><br />With a Torque of 236 ftlbs at the prop and a gear reduction of 2.15, the engine will have a Torque of 236 ftlbs/2.15, or 109.7 ftlbs.<br /><br />You can double check yourself by using Watt again. 115 HP = [(109.7 ftlbs X 2.15) X 2558 RPM]/5252. Yep, it works.<br /><br />Remember, these Torque number are only at max RPM. The outboard will make Torque throughout its entire RPM range. So you really need to look at the entire Torque curve over the RPM range to get an idea of what the outboard can do. Oh, yea...not all outboards make their maximum HP at maximum RPM. For example, Honda's 115 HP runs up at 6000 RPM, but makes its maximum HP at 5500 RPM.<br /><br />If this still doesn't help, post the gear ratios and operating RPM for all those Merc's and I'll calculate it for you. :D
 

SRFARRAR

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Re: Outboard Torgue Output

Forktail,<br />Thanks for the math. Currently deployed to Iraq, so don't know if I can find all the numbers I need to run the equation. Really trying to figure out what to buy when I get back to GA. Got a carbed 115 Merc now & looking at the 115 Merc 4-stroke or Optimax. Leaning towards the 4. Just don't see how Merc turned a 26 in prop to get decent holeshot and top end unless the 4-stroke is cranking quite a bit more low-end torque to get the prop turning. Probably trying to over-analyze what's available. I was looking at the published displacements and bore/stroke, and figured the 4-stroke probably was cranking out more torque because of the longer stroke as compared to the 115 I have now. Plus, I just think this stuff is interesting. Appreciate your reply.<br />Scott
 

mattttt25

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Re: Outboard Torgue Output

scott- i'll assume you're military. i'm an officer in the navy, and just want to say great job and hang in there. hopefully you'll be state side soon.<br /><br />as for torque and engines, i really don't know enough to speak about it. i have read that when comparing 2 and 4 strokes, their torque curve is different. i think 4 strokes have a more constant slope to their curve, while 2 strokes have higher torque at lower rpms, but then slope down quicker (hence, faster hole shot). i'm sure someone else on here can explain better.<br /><br />something else i read that was interesting to me- the advertised hp of an engine only has to be within 10% of the actual hp delivered. which means with 2 engines advertised as 150hp, one could be producing 150hp and one 135hp. never knew that.<br /><br />good luck-
 
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