one more compress check question?

tgodiver

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I did a compress check on my Yamaha 225 HP outboard 1999 SWSII.<br /><br />I grounded all the ignition wires , but I forgot to have the throttle at full. The results of all the cylinder were within 3 lbs. Comparing them side by side. they were 1 lbs difference.<br /><br />Does it matter that I forgot WOT? I just wanted to make sure I didn't have a bad cylinder. Is that test sufficent?<br /><br />Result were:<br />101 100<br />101 102<br />98 98
 

Hooty

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Re: one more compress check question?

Looks like a good test to me. <br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty
 

Trent

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Re: one more compress check question?

Looks like they are getting low...Warm up the engine and re-test. Put the throttle at wide open.<br /><br />However as Hooty said they are within spec.. 10-15 percent of each other..But the reading are a little low. Recheck.
 

Forktail

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Re: one more compress check question?

Good advice Trent. Let us know how it turns out tgodiver. :)
 

wakataka

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Re: one more compress check question?

I've tried it both ways (WOT and closed) on my 90 hp SportJet engines. Makes no discernable difference. I read another post on this board that makes some sense. That post pointed out that it is important to have WOT on a 4 stroke engine because there is a lot of manifold vacuum. If you try to run a compression test with the throttle closed, the cylinder can't get a big enough gulp of air in the intake stroke and therefore comes up short on the compression.<br /><br />On a reed valve 2-stroke, there is very little manifold vacuum. With the throttle closed and the engine not running, the air will just surge back and forth between the crankcase and cylinder, so the cylinder isn't really starved for air and the compression reading is pretty much accurate. That is certainly the case on my boat. Might not be true for all 2 strokes, loopers vs crossflow etc. Anyone got any opinoins on this? It would sure save us all a lot of time disconnecting throttle linkages and such if we could just run compression tests without having to open the throttle. :confused:
 

seahorse5

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Re: one more compress check question?

On a 2 stroke, the compression does not start until the top piston ring closes off the exhaust port on its way up to top dead center. Since the exhaust port is open to the atmosphere, there is no need to have the throttle plate moved. That is why there is no difference in readings if the throttle is open or closed.<br /><br />Refer to the other compression thread for more detailed info.
 

Capt Ken

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Re: one more compress check question?

How high/low the reading is, is really not a factor. Its how even the cylinders are. Reading can be affected by weak battery or starters. Heck, I've even seen compression guages vary by 20 psi.
 

Forktail

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Re: one more compress check question?

A while back I bought a used 2 cylinder 40 horse for my kid to put on his river boat. It ran fine but never had much power. We checked the compression of both cylinders (warm) getting 75 in the top and 80 in the bottom. We thought this was acceptable since, although they seemed low, they were close to each other as Capt Ken said.<br /><br />So then we did a wet compression check by squirting some 2-stroke oil into the cylinders. Compression came up 10-15 lbs in each. But it still seemed low and indicated possible worn rings/cylinder. <br /><br />Do to the lack of power we eventually tore the engine down. To our surprise both pistons had broken rings and worn ring grooves. Apparently the outboard had sat long enough to rust the rings to the cylinder wall and on first start up they broke. The outboard ran amazingly well and for a long period like this.<br /><br />After rebuild and a little break-in we got 120 and 121. <br /><br />Moral of the story is that low compression readings, however so close together they are, can mean problems. Find out what the compression for your particular outboard should be. If your test seems low, do a wet check. If that check causes the compression to come up significantly, you may have ring trouble. If it doesn't change the low readings, you may have head gasket trouble.<br /><br />Most compression gauges are usually calibrated using the same standards within +- a few psi. Most reputable shops have their tools and gauges calibrated frequently. To find a 20 psi difference between gauges means something is defective with a gauge. Besides a small calibration difference, the other factors that can make a difference in the gauge readings are atmospheric pressures, temps, humidity, altitude changes, and cylinder temps.<br /><br />Hope this helps tgodiver. Your numbers don't look too bad. A warm wet check might tell you more. :D
 
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