OMC TurboJet Impeller Bearings

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TurboJet

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Hello all!

First time poster here...

Recently acquired a 1994 Four Winns Fling with a 115 HP TurboJet...

It was passed down to me as a family deal and apparently has 100 hours on the hour meter!

All looks well with the vessel and can rip up and down the river with ease...

Last night I started looking into doing some tune up stuff and thought I would pull the impeller housing and check out the impeller and wear ring.

To my surprise, the impeller and wear ring are in great shape and look to be a-ok...

This is when I noticed the impeller seemed to be "loose" and I can easily slide the impeller in and out of the housing...

I started to look at exploded views of the jet setup and noticed two sealed type bearings that reside in the impeller housing.

I began to look closer into the housing and it appears the outer most bearing is gone!

On the linked exploded view, the bearing in question is item #27.

I believe the reason for failure is the fact that the pump cone is missing!

So my questions are these --

1.) How easy is it to press those bearings out? I plan on doing both bearings (#27 and #25) I have a home harbor freight press and was wondering if the home diy'er can do this. (See attached pic 1704 and 1705...The first one is with the impeller shaft bolt all the way in, and 1705 is with the impeller shaft all the way out. You can see the bearing race in there exploded...Atleast I think that is what it is since I can not find a bearing up front there...)

2.) It appears the pump cone is EOL. Are there any kind of online scrap yards that might have this piece?

3.) This is an off topic question, it appears the oil injection system has been removed. I can not find the oil tank or primer bulb anywhere! Is this a common mod for these engines?

4.) Another off topic question, it appears the hull has some chipping and also appears someone has done what appears to be an epoxy fix over previous knicks and chips...Is this a common type of repair for that issue (chipping)?

5.) I attempted to back flush the system with fresh water and a hose with the impeller housing off. I just read that there is a common issue with the muffler/exhaust seals leaking if too much water pressure is injected into the system...I didn't have the hose pressed against the housing but rather was spraying directly into the system with the engine OFF. I did finally start to see water expel from an upper relief hole. What are the chances I popped those seals?

6.) Lastly, are there any torque specs for these engines/jets somewhere out there?

Any advice helps and thanks to this forum existing, lots of useful info here!
 

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Sorry I posted this in the wrong section!

Also a typo up top there, 115hp NOT 155hp TurboJet...

Also sorry for the double post...

Just spoke with Lisa at http://turbojetmarineproducts.com/ and she was very helpful...

Found a pump cone, bearings and seals and I should be up and running within a few days of receiving the parts!

I found the jet/impeller service guide on their site as well, so I found my torque specs... :)

Lastly, I pulled the lower spark plugs last night just to take a peek in there and luckily did not see any water expel from the cylinders...

If anyone wants to post some feedback it would be greatly appreciated and I will try to post pics when I get to installing the bearings...

Thanks!
 

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Well, I thought I should keep this post updated even with no response...

I will continue to post pics of my progress on this bearing replacement in hopes it will help someone in the future...

I know I could use something like this at the moment for my replacements...(I did find this thread though http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/009852.html )

Tearing it down...Still waiting on the impeller tool to arrive so to pull the impeller properly...

Possibly might need a shaft replacement as I can see the inner bearing race is still "attached/fused" to the shaft.

Also it appears the cone bolt threads are stripped and I can see one of the cone bolts broke off in there...

Might have to tap out to the next couple bolt sizes up...

Anyway, enough talking to a wall, attached are some pics...
 

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Update -- Impeller tool arrived today along with the service manual! Woo hoo!

Tool -- http://www.ebay.com/itm/OMC-Turbo-Je...293308?vxp=mtr

Manual (best price online) -- http:// www dot marine engine dot com /parts/part_details.php?pnum=KCM502138&ptype=Service+Manu al-&Engine=437030&Model=115JEER

Removed the impeller and found the inner bearing was on its last leg, good thing I caught this in time!

Could have been major damage (further than the already done damage) to the jet!

Looks like when the outer bearing seized, the outer race of the bearing split in two, causing outward force on the original cone. It appears the cone was pressed outwards on, causing the retaining bolts to "strip" and thus loosing the cone...This is what my best judgement tells me...

Looks like I will be tapping out the cone threads to the next few sizes up...

Received a new cone today from Mrs. Linda at http://turbojetmarineproducts.com/ , although it looks like I will be (hopefully) ordering a new impeller shaft, this one is pretty mangled...

Bearings, in-line sand filter (this boat doesn't have it, installing Sherwood 18005 strainer), flush attachment and new seals are already on order and on their way!

The more and more I look this engine over, it either truly has 100 hours on it or someone rebuilt it, the motor is clean!

It looks like the carbs have never been adjusted! Some of the tubing has 1994 printed on it? (Pics attached) Hmm, now how to remove that outer blown race?

Impeller is removed CCW. (for anyone interested)...

Anyway, on with the pics!
 

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Update --

Was able to sit with it for a bit today and was able to remove the outer bearings outer race...

Where it had split I pried it apart with a large flat blade screw driver and of all things, a paint can opener...

After the outer split piece came out, I worked on the inner most piece...

I first ground it down with a dremel, used a chisel to crack the weak spot, and then pried up on it...

Success at last!

On with the pics --
 

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For those interested in bearings for this pump, don't bother buying "nos factory blah blah", the 2 bearings are SKF 6205-2RSH and Timken 303PP...

Wish I had these numbers before spending 3x the amount on "hard to find" bearings...

These can be found online for approx $10 each...

I also think the doubled up seals can be found at a huge discount if we knew what can cross over and work...they almost look like my Suzuki samurai's crank seal...

If I figure it out ill post back that info...

I should be getting this pump back together soon and I'll be sure to post pics...

Is this thread the Black Plague? No replys?

O-well, hopefully it helps others in the future...
 

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Sorry for the double post!

Was able to get the bearings in this afternoon, although the inner bearing and seals were able to "slip" in without being pressed....

I'll prob run it as is and just service the bearings as needed (now that i have part numbers for $10 bearings)

Just waiting on my impeller shaft from Mrs. Lisa at turbojetmarineproducts and I will have this thing back together! (Thanks for all the help Mrs Lisa)...

Enough talking and on with the pics...
 

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Sorry for the triple post!

The inner shaft seal can successfully be replaced with 24mm x 46mm x 7mm oil shaft seals (about $7)...

The original ones are 24 x47 x6 but a quick measurement off the protruding sleeve shows enough room for the extra 2mm seal lip...

Or you could just use one 24 x47 x10 mm shaft seal! (In a pinch only, the doubled up seals offer 2 lipped seals!)

Hope this saves someone $!
 
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Oops, the above should read "The inner shaft seal can successfully be replaced with 24mm x 47mm x 7mm oil shaft seals (about $7)..."

Update --

Was able to get it all back together and finally get the nose cone broken SS stud removed...

I took my time and drilled a spot for an easy out, just to have the easy out snap off on me during removal...

So, I drilled out the perimeter of the in question stud, knocked it out with a punch, drilled that out and tapped it for a metal threaded insert and called it good...

The other nose cone stud threads were also stripped out so I went to the next size up to 1/4-20...

I know the factory studs are metric and SS metric studs are 3x the cost so I went with standard thread...

I also touched up the nicked paint with fingernail polish...

Should be back on the water this weekend...

On with the pics!
 

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