OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

clifton63

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I had my 1989 OMC cobra (5.7) outdrive maintenanced over the weekend. This was to involve outdrive removal to grease u-joints, grease gimball bearing, inspect bellows. Also, replace waterpump impellor and housing and change lower unit oil. Well to start this mechanic knew nothing about cobras as the service manager had show him where to fill the lower oil. Then the service manager left. I watched this mechanic do the whole job. He did not use any gasket seal or RTV on the gasket for water pump nor the gasket for the upper housing that mounts to transom bracket. I supplied all the parts (Sierra Gasket kit and Sierra waterpump housing/impellor/gasket kit). He started to leave out the 2 o-rings for the drive shaft and I asked him about it and he said "those are extras for another application". I insisted he find out for sure and he asked the manager and the manager pointed out they go on the drive shaft. Then he tried to reuse the oil dipstick plug plastic washer, which was brittle. I insisted this be changed and the shop didn't even have one. He put an o-ring instead. This mechanic had no care in the world for doing a quality job. Even fired up a cigarette while he was changing the oil. At $90 per hour, I expect professionalism, quality, and care in doing a job. This was a large service dept at a local lake large marina. I know I am rambling, but my questions are as follows:

1) Is it ok to use an O-ring instead of a washer for the oil dipstick plug (on top of upper housing)?

2) Is it ok to not use any gasket sealer/RTV on either gaskets mentioned above? My concern here is leakage into the drive shaft cavity, so I am particularly concerned with that gasket.

3) Also, before I took it in, it had a very slight vibration in drive at idle which would intensify when I did hard turns left or right. This has to be the u-joints due to it getting more intense while turning. After the work above, put the boat in water, when I motored away from the shop the vibration was actually worse. I thought greasing the u-joints would solve this. Are the U-joints bad and would greasing them cause them to vibrate more? They did say the U-joints looked ok, but I don't take anything they said seriously with the quality of work I saw.


Final comment: It is very sad that these days it is very hard to get any service at a reasonable rate and done right the first time with quality work. How difficult can this really be?
 
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duped

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The mechanic doesn't sound like the sharpest crayon in the box...

No sealer is needed on those gaskets. Did he check the alignment? Could be the cause of some vibration. I would take it back and have them fix it properly on their buck. Motor should always be checked for alignment when drive is removed.
 

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1) Is it ok to use an O-ring instead of a washer for the oil dipstick plug (on top of upper housing)?

2) Is it ok to not use any gasket sealer/RTV on either gaskets mentioned above? My concern here is leakage into the drive shaft cavity, so I am particularly concerned with that gasket.

3) Also, before I took it in, it had a very slight vibration in drive at idle which would intensify when I did hard turns left or right. This has to be the u-joints due to it getting more intense while turning. After the work above, put the boat in water, when I motored away from the shop the vibration was actually worse. I thought greasing the u-joints would solve this. Are the U-joints bad and would greasing them cause them to vibrate more? They did say the U-joints looked ok, but I don't take anything they said seriously with the quality of work I saw.


Final comment: It is very sad that these days it is very hard to get any service at a reasonable rate and done right the first time with quality work. How difficult can this really be?

1) An o-ring should not be used, need to have the washer replaced

2) agree with duped

3) Sounds like your u-joints could be the problem and greesing them would not have made it worst. I would suggest pulling the drive and either do it your self (iboats is a DIY place) and we will help all we can.

2-bit mechanic shops are all over the place, wish we all had a way of spotting them.
 

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Re: OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

interesting post, i had the same problem with the u joint noise in my sx out drive, i ended up putting a new u joint assembly in the out drive, now the noise is 10 times louder, i 've had the alignmint checked by 3 different shops, they say it's ok, if i increase the throttle in a turn it sound's like the ujoints are going to come apart, i have called repair shop.s all over california and nobody know's what's wrong, if i get it fixed i will post what was wrong, maybe i have a defective u joint assembly
 
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interesting post, i had the same problem with the u joint noise in my sx out drive, i ended up putting a new u joint assembly in the out drive, now the noise is 10 times louder, i 've had the alignmint checked by 3 different shops, they say it's ok, if i increase the throttle in a turn it sound's like the ujoints are going to come apart, i have called repair shop.s all over california and nobody know's what's wrong, if i get it fixed i will post what was wrong, maybe i have a defective u joint assembly

Morning rocky t, how about taking what you have here and post in a new thread. This way we can all work on your issue.
 

clifton63

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Re: OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

Did he check the alignment? Could be the cause of some vibration. I would take it back and have them fix it properly on their buck. Motor should always be checked for alignment when drive is removed.

Not sure how that would have been done on my cobra? The housing just bolts on using 6 bolts and there is no adjustment for the housing. Maybe you are referring to some alignment procedure on the ujoint shaft? Couldnt find that in the shop manual.
 

bruceb58

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The engine mounts are moved up and down to adjust alignment. To check the alignment he should have used a long bar inserted through the gimbal bearing and into the engine coupler. Did he do that?

Did he fill the drive in the hole around the middle of the drive?
 
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clifton63

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Re: OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

The engine mounts are moved up and down to adjust alignment. To check the alignment he should have used a long bar inserted through the gimbal bearing and into the engine coupler. Did he do that?

Did he fill the drive in the hole around the middle of the drive?


No on the alignment as that was not part of this "maintenance package" they did. The package is to remove outdrive, inspect bellows, inspect and grease gimble bearing, inspect and grease ujoint, install outdrive.

Yes on the fill hole.
 

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Re: OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

Although someone experienced with Cobras will be harder and harder to find as the years go by, it would be my opinion that any reputuable mechanic would check the alignment whenever taking the drive off and on, ESPECIALLY if you mentioned some vibration to him. It is the reccommended procedure for Mercruisers, and the tool and process is exactly the same for either brand, so they should be aware and have the tool. I've had motor mounts drop and give me similar symptoms. Not saying the U-joints may not be bad as well, but his work performed raises red flags, and you should consider either speaking with the manager (who may have a clue) or look elsewhere to get the vibration resolved.
 

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Alignment is part of maintenance. Even if it was part of some other service they should still check it so they could try to sell the extra service. As for your #2 he should have used sealer not rtv. And as for the refill procedure you better make sure he did it right (i would be surprised if he did) or you will have MAJOR problems. Oh yea, one more thing, find another service facility.
 

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I have never, ever used sealer on any paper gasket for any model of outdrive, nor does it say to in the service manuals. My drive comes off every year and there's never a leak in sight. Same with the Cobra when I owned one. All it's going to do is complicate the removal. Aviation sealer/ perfect seal will be very difficult to clean off of the surfaces without gouging/ scratching the aluminum and creating a leak down the line.
 

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Re: OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

I have never, ever used sealer on any paper gasket for any model of outdrive, nor does it say to in the service manuals. My drive comes off every year and there's never a leak in sight. Same with the Cobra when I owned one. All it's going to do is complicate the removal. Aviation sealer/ perfect seal will be very difficult to clean off of the surfaces without gouging/ scratching the aluminum and creating a leak down the line.
This is page 17-2. Step 4 states to use sealant. If you use the correct sealant it is very easy to remove. I use loctite 517. 2 minutes with some laquer thinner on a rag and its clean.

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Lou C

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Re: OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

Correct on the sealer. The OMC shop manual specifies that you use it for the out drive to pivot housing gasket, on the studs that hold the drive on and for the gasket and bolts for the impeller. In fact, OMC specified that it be used on just about every bolt on the drive. TgeONC gasket sealer is great stuff. It seams out water and keeps the bolts from seizing even in salt water. No problem removing it. My boat sits in salt water 6 months out of the year so I know what I'm talking about. That mechanic never read an OMC shop manual.
 

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Re: OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

Hourly rate varies area to area.
But the area that I work in. A shop that charges $90 per hour and is willing to use customer supplied aftermarket parts is a “bottom of the barrel” shop.
1. No an O-ring is wrong; you need the correct plastic gasket on the dip stick.
2. While gasket sealer is recommended, not using it won’t cause water to get into the drive shaft cavity.
3. I have seen greasing u-joints that are already bad cause the vibration to get worse but that only lasts for 3-4 hours of operation, than it goes back to how it was before the grease job. If you had a u-joint vibration that means the u-joints are bad and grease don’t fix bad u-joints. Only new u-joints fix bad u-joints. – By the way – there are only 2 ways to diagnose bad u-joints. Drive the boat in the water or disassemble and inspect them.
I agree that the alignment should have been checked ANYTIME the drive is off.
 

clifton63

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Re: OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

Thank you all for your great input. I plan to contact the marina general manager and let them know. This is one of the best forums I have ever been on, with such great response rates and wealth of knowledge!
 

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Do marine techs get licensed the same way auto mechanics do? I had to write an exam every year for 4 years plus the initial training in order to even write for my provincial journeyman.
 

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No they don't unfortunately. There are manufacturers certifications they can earn though.
 

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Re: OMC - Cobra, Careless, Bad Mechanic?

Sounds like you need to go and talk to the owners and print out these comments.
The "mechanic" was evidently NOT a mechanic.
Maybe a boat cleaner??
The dealership to work on a brand name like Mercruiser or Volvo needs to have 1 certified mechanic on the premises.
He's supposed to have the latest schooling or training.
That doesn't mean the kid was the one.
 
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