OMC at 3000 rpms max.

nanderson

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I have a 1985 OMC 3.8 liter on a 19 foot blue water. the motor starts and runs smooth but will<br />only reach 3000 rpms. If the throttle is wide open it will only go 2800 rpm. I have to back it off a bit to get 3000 rpm. I was told it should<br />do atleast 4400 rpm. The motor seems to have really good compresion. How can I determine the problem or most probable cause. It has a 15X17 prop.<br /><br />Thanks Nate
 

airman

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Re: OMC at 3000 rpms max.

It sounds like a fuel issue to me, although I'm sure others will have some good ideas. Is the fuel fresh? No water in it? What about a dirty filter? There are lots of possible causes but those are a few of the easy ones. Good luck.
 

Bhamil

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Re: OMC at 3000 rpms max.

I believe your problem might be timing. I suggest you try this; loosen the distributor hold-down clamp and start the engine. Let it idle until it's warmed up, then slowly advance the timing, noting increase in RPM. Then retard the timing, noting the RPM change. If you have a timing light strobe it to your timing marks and set as directed by your manual. I'll bet you'll find the problem is timing. Oh, and make sure your gap is set as per instructions. Keep us posted as to your results. BTW, I personally don't think it's a fuel problem vecause the engine runs good, no surges, no rough idle, etc. That's just my opinion, take it with a grain of salt...
 

seahorse5

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Re: OMC at 3000 rpms max.

Take a compression reading first using an accurate gauge.
 

Walt T

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Re: OMC at 3000 rpms max.

Be sure the shutters are free.
 

nanderson

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Re: OMC at 3000 rpms max.

Ok,.. The timing was 12 deg. btdc so I ajusted it to 10 deg. btdc as per the Clymers book. So which I am guessing that it was already advanced.<br />It will rev up out of the water in neutral. I only did it for a couple quick intervals with the muffs on and it seemed to go above 4000. I didn't try it in gear because being the novice that I am I did'nt want to ruin something not knowing what I would damage and also theres no load. I haven't had a chance to put it in the water yet. The secondaries on the carb seem to have little more tension than what was explained from another 'novice' boat person. If I take the boat on the water or even on land and the secondaries dont open all the way or even open at all, what should I do.<br />I picked up a compression tester today and will try that soon. A few people are saying its the carb. Oh buy the way what is the the psi for good compression on that motor. All info welcome.<br />Thanks Nate
 

Walt T

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Re: OMC at 3000 rpms max.

Basics first, Check the point gap, set it, better yet replace the points. Then set timing. Make sure the exhaust is clear shutters ok, then make sure you get full throttle. Primary throttle plates should be straight up and down at full throttle engine off. Compression should be above 100 and all cylinders within 15%, but I'd tolerate 25%. All this stuff is easy and you can do it yourself. Verify the tach is accurate.<br />Dont worry about secondaries yet.
 

navigator336

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Re: OMC at 3000 rpms max.

What kind of carb do you have? Is it definitely a 4-barrel? Vacuum secondaries? If it is a 4 barrel, I doubt you'd be into the secondaries at 3000 rpm, therefore, if a carb problem,it's likely in the primary circuit. As you push the throttle open, is the engine smooth right up to 3000 and then additional throttle causes the engine to stumble and drop a couple of hundred rpm? Once you loose rpm's, is the engine running rough in the range of 2800 to 3000 rpm's, or is it a smooth 2800?
 

Bhamil

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Re: OMC at 3000 rpms max.

Yep, follow dieselwalt's advise. Keep it simple, do the basics first. I believe you can load it down on the muffs by putting it in gear, trim down, and increase the RPM until it approaches, say, 4K. If you have some throttle left, note it. You'll never load it down in the driveway like in the water but if you have something left at 4K, you might be alright. But like dieselwalt said, give it a good tune-up first, check compression (listen, if you pull all the plugs at one time, you have to ground the coil wire. Be very careful, though, because if you don't ground that coil wire, you can cause a spark and ignite the vapors in your engine well and make for a very unpleasent afternoon)and as previously stated, anything above 100psi is good, and all within 15-25% of each other. If one is, say, 108 psi, and another is 118 psi, that's OK because the average is 113 psi. If one were 80-90 and less, then there's a problem. It won't be, though, because I'll bet you a seafood platter your problem will be simpler than a loss of compression.
 
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