Old Scamp needing much love

Skagit Lakes

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Greetings!

I was so impressed with Bwana Don & Zach's restoration project that I had to join, and show what I have ahead of me.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=505696&highlight=sea+scamp

I recently was given a very rough 12' Starcraft Sea Scamp (I think that's what it is, anyhow) from my 70+ year old neighbor who had it sitting for years. The bow plate is gone, seats missing, transom comletely rotten, and a number of other little things that need love. Here's what I got.

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So, last week my buddies drop one day notice on me about a camping trip on a local lake. Quick fix activated! I grabbed some scrap plywood, and cut it for all 3 seat positions. I had a bunch of stainless fasteners, so those were used for everything I did. I had a hunk of dimensioned lumber that must be ancient, as it measures an even 2" x 9". Yanked the rotten transom, traced it onto the hunk, cut 'er out, and stuck it in there. Another piece for the bow, and she was ready for the trip. She then looked a bit more seaworthy.

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NOTE - Remember to put bracing beneath pieces of plywood if you plan on using them as actual seats. Lost the midships seat to a buddy with a beer cooler in his hands. The bow & stern were quickly reinforced, and off we went. Here's the view the first night from camp. Note the 2 Starcrafts. My budies grandson has one nearly identical, but slightly longer, and withless beam. At least he has all the hardware :(

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The hull is intact, with only a small leak at the bow, but the skeg is ripped open. I'll have to get some pictures of that for you guys. I now need to undo everything I did, and evaluate the integrity of my seats, and coat the transom in urethane, epoxy, varnish, or some such to protect it somewhat. I was unable to reuse the transom top rails as the transom is now too thick, so I'll probably dig up some scrap aluminum sheet, and form it to fit where the motor goes.

I now have a good understanding of what is ahead if I decide to strip & paint it (Thanks Bwana Don & Zach!), but what I'd really like to do is source some critical body parts. Most specifically the bow plate. The hunk of plywood works, but it is kinda cheesy. I've looked fairly extensively online, and can't seem to find anything but entire boats. Does anyone know of a source for that sort of stuff?

I already love the boat, and I think I'll name her Fat Sow, as she wasn't the easiest to steer in anything other than dead on seas. I picked up a 9.9 Johnson from 1976 that runs now, but could use a little love before being truly primo.

Thanks for having such an awesome forum! I'm stoked. I'll continue to post pics as I figure out what my plan is with her.
 

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seems like the bow cap would be easier to fabricate than the transom cap....thin plate aluminum or heavy sheet aluminum would work.

especially unless you have experience annealing and bending aluminum, you will likely find it less work to just redo the transom in plywood in the correct thickness so you can re-use your transom cap than to anneal and bend a new transom cap, esp since you're pulling it back out anyway. transom cap is critical component (keeps water and the elements off the vulnerable end grain of transom) and probably shouldn't be replaced with just a portion over the motor mount area. IMHO.

welcome, and love the raft-up pic! wish i could be there instead of behind a desk.....
 

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Re: Old Scamp needing much love

Turns out a buddy has some diamond plate aluminum. That'd work for the bow. I'll take your advice on the transom. I have plenty of good hardwood plywood I can use. I still need to work out something for the seats. I'm not full on cash, but I'd love to get some hrdwood planks. I don't have the flotation that seems to come under the original seats. That worries me a bit. She'd go under if swamped.
 

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just be sure you have the transom sealed up well with epoxy etc, as not all hardwood plywood is waterproof glue. the birch ply Lowe's sells isn't....learned this via testing with water immersion. not a bad idea to soak a test scrap for a week to see how it holds together before you start on new trans.

lots of cool looking wood on a budget around if you use recycled wood and keep your eyes open for where to find scraps and are willing to do some sanding. we built a deck for our cabin out of a couple of 8' oak pallets, cost zero.

glad you see the need for flotation. story on Great Lakes Angler blog recently about a brand new 2011 tinnie that went down in a few minutes after being swamped, leaving 4 guys floating 5 miles out in LK Michigan. since it will not be under a floor, the issues many of us worry about (water absorption, mice nests) with open cell foam aren;'t as much of an issue for you. not sure where you'd find the huge blocks you need for under seats, but if you can find an old floating pier that's being scrapped, that would work. otherwise you might need to glue up sheets of insulation board from the bigbox. there have to be other ideas i'm not thinking of.
 

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Super glad you found some inspiration from our thread. White oak, red oak, mahogany, will all be really nice for seats. just seal it up with epoxy and then coat with spar varnish.

Is this the 12 foot or 14 foot model? Oh yea, welcome to the Tin House. Great forum we have here, these guys are an inspiration. I learned a lot from the Scamp restore. You'll have a blast, and when your done you'll love fishing out of her. Starcrafts are the best aluminum boats made.

Good luck
Don
 

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I"ll start cruising our local reclaimed wood stores for some planks, and see what I can come up with for bouyancy.

She's a 12'. Pretty beamy at over 50", with tons of room. She won't be as pretty as Bwana Don's project for a while, but I'll get her better prepared for a season afloat.

I'm visiting my buddy with the plate today to see if he'll part with any. We have a local shop that does aluminum welding, so I'll probably haul her down there to get a quote on skeg repair. If cost prohibits that work, I'm sure I'll figure something out.
 

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Bwana Don, you used a soda blaster to strip the hull. May I ask how long (approx.) It took, and how much media you went through? I have a sand blaster, bit I think that might dimple the surface. We have a Harbor Freight 20 minutes away, so inexpensive tools are readily available. Finding working ones is entertaining :), but air powered systems are fairly safe to buy there.
 

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what about walnut shells? USAF uses em to blast alum aircraft skin, not too hard to find, and likely will work with any pressure blaster.

i could almost make an argument that HF takes pains to keep their tool return rate from falling below a certain %, cuz as long as they cheerfully replace it, you usually buy more tools every trip to return a defective one......good marekting.
 

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I'll certainly investigate the crushed walnut. We use it to polish reloading brass, but the grit is far too large for my sandblast setup
 

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I've removed all of the wood except for the bow line eye. It's frozen solid. I've been soaking it in p-oil in the hopes of breaking up some of the corrosion.

I found some nice baltic hardwood plywood in my shop that should work for the transom. I just stuck a scrap in a bucket of water, ans will record thickness measurements daily. Starting T=0.71".

Pictures to come when I'm at a computer, and not my phone.
 

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I tried soda blasting, however my compressor was too wimpy. I used Citri-Strip and a 3M wheel, also a brass wire wheel (cone) for around the rivets. Strip everything, leave no paint, then use Zinc Chromate. ZC sticks like crazy to bare aluminum.

Post a close up of the areas for repair.
 

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is the wood reinf block behind the bow eye rotted enough that it needs to be removed? you might be able to skip this hassle. if it does need to go, you might be able to split the wood away from the threaded shaft with a chisel to facilitate removing the eye.
 

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I have a good shot of the holes in the keel that I'll post as soon as I get to a computer with internet. No TV since 1987, and no internet at home. Makes me get out and work :) My dad is right next door, so probably tomorrow, as some "friends" are taking me golfing for the first time in my life. They are all prepared for a good laugh at my expense.

Great idea about cutting away the block. Fabricating a new spacer is certainly easier than fussing with all that corrosion. I would love to replace that stud though...
 

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I forgot to mention that a local sheet metal shop quoted me about $60 - $70 for a 1' x 1' x 3' long box for under the seats. I'm thinking an insulation company might fill 'em with foam for a reasonable amount, but if not, good ol' big box has the sheet stock.
 

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I just checked on my submerged transom sample. It has seelled uniformly from 0.71" to 0.735", still maintains bouyancy, and no sign of delamination. It is only after one day, so I'll reserve judgement.
 
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