NS40C Missing

rmcgarah

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Hey guys I am new to this forum thing. O am currently working on a ns40c of mine it was given to me. It did not have a carb originally. I bought carb and it ran fine for a few weeks. It has now developed a miss at half throttle and above. Once it starts there is no fixing it. I have checked exciter could with dva 160 volts during misfire even replaced no fix. Tested trigger 25-35 volts, even replaced trigger. No fix. Checked cdi with timing light spark present. Even replaced did, no fix. Replaced reeds, no fix. Rebuilt motor due to finding scalded piston on lower cylinder, not sure of why this happens, motor pees well impeller new. After new pistons and rings problem still present, note that cylinders measured in spec. New compression readings are 130 on each cylinder. I have checked timing it is adjusted per manual and have check it during misfire and timing is not erratic. Flywheel is excellnt magnets are as they should be. Have checked exhaust foe restrictions. Plugs are very wet after running. Motor is also four stroking a ot when decelerating. I have been through all o can think of I have thought about possible lubrication system not circulating and letting fuel puddle up. Hopefully y'll can give me some kind of insight. Or ideas.
 

pvanv

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Is your new carb the correct 345032000M? Did you verify there is the correct check valve in the lubrication recirculator hose on the starboard side, and is it inserted correctly or backwards? The 40C, with the single carb does idle a bit rough, but is a strong runner, and has great hole shot. Are you running the correct NGK BP7HS plugs? Did you do the analog ohm meter checks on the CD module?
 

rmcgarah

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Yea carb is correct actually have 2 of them now. I am going to investigate the lubrication system today. Mine has the valve in the bottom of crankcase not in the line like I have seen in some models. Plugs are a ngk br7hs. Explain about this analog him check on the cdi. The did is brand new one from cdi electronics
 

pvanv

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If it's a new CD it should be fine.
In the Factory service manual is a table to check the CD with an under 3v analog ohm meter. If you go above 3v, you can cook the CD.
Here is what the lube line looks like (item 3 in the diagram). 002-21035-3_FIG01.JPG
 

rmcgarah

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I checked the lubrication system check valve is operating correctly. Yes did is new did you typo on the plug type cause you stated to run a bp7hs and mine are a br7hs. Also I didn' note that as random given times this motor will suddenly clear up and jump on plane as it should but when forced to get out of it due to lake size it will return to running poorly. Has only done this 3 or four times. Nothing seems to trigger this or be duplicated
 

rmcgarah

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I have the power head removed at the moment is there anything else I need to check before reinstalling it. I removed it again to recheck the exhaust the only thing I noticed was the excess of fuel in the exhaust. I know we are rich as all get out in just dontnunderstandbwhy. I have pretty much exhausted my options at this point.
 

pvanv

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The R plug is just a resistor. That would be OK. The P designator is for Projected tip, which is preferred; the tip runs hotter, and burns cleaner.
Does the carb have the correct jets, and is the float height correct?
 

rmcgarah

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Yes jets are correct I feel from the intermittnt fixes it has that it is a carb issue but 250 dollar cost foe a carb that's a big gamble so I removed mine last night and am soaking it will test hit today
 

rmcgarah

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Test hot today was better concern still present, however the times it does clear up is much more numerous. I believe this thing needs a new carb. Both of the carbs I have all old and used seems to get slightly bettr every time I clean in and over night soak help more. Think I will order a new one.
 

Sea Rider

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If carbs are old but immaculate clean, with correct float and needle valve setting, jets, main noozle, middle gaskets in excellent working order seems it's not a carb related issue. If all electrical components are doing their homework 100% spot on, there are other Issues to check before dumping more cash on a new carb.

-Is carb and timing advance well synched ? Know how to check correct synch ?

-Are all plastic bits that deals with throttle grip, carb and timing plate in good shape. If with excessive side or up/down play change the ones that are in bad shape. All related parts must work flawlessly hand in hand for perfect even acceleration throughout the whole throttle range.

-Unscrew both plug's cup, check if middle sleeve wire is shinny, if rusty, darkened cut 5 mm off cable, screw caps back in.

-Check spark plugs internal metal connector to be shinny, clean, gently file if needed. Adjust plug tip tight to 1,00 mm with feeler gauge. NGK BR7 (B7) HS-10 is what normally a 40C uses.

-Assume thermo, exhaust cover inside, powerhead and head water paths are perfectly clean ?

-Know how to decarbon internal powerhead running Power Tuner or any other decarbon product through carb while OB is on ? This is a fantastic product, betters idle rpm and overall acceleration throughout the whole throttle range provided that all mechanical and electrical parts are working OK.

Report your findings...

Happy Boating
 

rmcgarah

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Sorry for delay new carb did get rid of the misfire. With that being said. It runs well but in my opinion doesn' seem to be putting out 100 percent. I have not yet been able to get a photo tech on it to make sure of rpm. I am running it gonna 16x 60 boat and am only getting 22 to 25 mph running a 11 pitch prop. I think 30 mph should be what I should getting will try to get tach on it soon
 

Sea Rider

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Need to insall an induction tach, go for a wot spin as usually loaded on flat water cond and check max rpm achieved, from there can go for a prop maximization towards a 10 pitch prop if in need to pull wot revs middle to max wot rpm range factory stated. Combo will perform much better along more boating fun.

Happy Boating
 
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