News from our little corner of the world

Dunaruna

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1. There are incedence proceeding 9/11, but the war was 'declared' via live news feeds to the entire world when 2 planes hit the towers & the Pentagon. And just in case we missed the message, it was repeated in Bali, Spain & London.<br /><br />2. The entity is (officially) Osama BinLaden, but IMO that's a dream. I don't see any possibility of surrender. Guarded reconciliation maybe, but not surrender. Pounded into submission more likely. <br /><br />3. Radical murderous thugs that hide under the 'Islam' umbrella. They are the ones that spit death chants at anybody who doesn't agree with them. They kill innocent people - men, women & children. They kill their own. They hide in countries that support them.<br /><br />Exactly what don't you get?
 
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Originally posted by Dunaruna:<br /> Ray, no mail. Nuttin', zilch, nada.<br /><br />You paid your phone bill? ;)
Must give us pause. Sorry, don't get the joke.<br />I guess the simple answer is, yes. The complications are: I did pay my phone company, I am not sure that my phone company paid the upstream provider. Reminds me of setting up network feeds coast coast in the old days of television, the feed engineer could throw up his hands and say "well it is leaving here". <br />Some of your mail was getting caught in the server spam filter. If you aren't getting it perhaps this is the problem. Check your junk mail, spam, blah blah blah. Or, "just ignore it and maybe it will go away." (Airplane II, The Sequel) :cool:
 

Dunaruna

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It must be a cultural thing. "Did you pay your phone bill" was meant to refer to the fact that the e-mail didn't get sent because the phone company cut you off - therfore no phone line service. Get it? <br /><br />Oh well, it sounded funny inside my head, just doesn't translate to the keyboard I guess.<br /><br />Still no mail. Maybe it's being held for ransom. I'll stop now.
 

QC

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Aldo, not a culture thing. I got it and I didn't learn it over there . . . ;)
 

AK_Chappy

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All I can say is I am glad you are doing what you are doing over there.<br />Some people would rather have more "freedom" for everyone, and let thousands die than to have less "privileges" (notice the difference????) and nab killers while those thousands live on.<br /><br />AK Chappy
 
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Originally posted by Dunaruna:<br /> It must be a cultural thing. "Did you pay your phone bill" was meant to refer to the fact that the e-mail didn't get sent because the phone company cut you off - therfore no phone line service. Get it? <br /><br />Oh well, it sounded funny inside my head, just doesn't translate to the keyboard I guess.<br /><br />Still no mail. Maybe it's being held for ransom. I'll stop now.
My bad, I did understand what you were saying, but seemed like an oxymoron as my message was on this forum. Wouldn't be there if the phone bill wasn't paid. As in - If you phone is not operating call the phone company. If the phone.... get it.
 

SoulWinner

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Aldo, you live in a city that te terrorists target. I am glad that your elected officals did what was needed to protect you and your fellow citizens. Now I hope they give you back your guns!
 

Dunaruna

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Originally posted by SoulWinner:<br /> Now I hope they give you back your guns!
Not you as well!!<br /><br />I'll should be free around 12.30pm, dockside chat. ;)
 

stan_deezy

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Well just to throw some more oil onto the fire.....<br />Our Prime Minister (Tony Blair) got his fingers burnt yesterday in parliament when the MPs voted against 90 arrest without charges. The country is a bit bewildered by this. Recent polls suggested that up to 75% of those questioned believed the new law was correct.<br />An immediate amendment was passed that allows 28 days arrest without charge (up on the current 7 days-IIRC).<br /><br />So why is our country bewildered and bemused by this? Because in all his time in office (now into his third term in office) this is the first time Tony Blair has been defeated in a motion. This motion was one that he'd become very personally involved in. He's due to hand over the running of the party soon and although the date hasn't been announced yet most political pundits reckon this defeat may have damaged his leadership enough to speed up this transfer. It makes me think that the terrorists may have just claimed another victim. <br /><br />And it looks like the war may have spread further: look at what has just happened in Jordan.......... :(
 

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Last night they took away some people from a house two streets away from where we live. Six cop cars, a few black cars, a big pantech with cop markings and a whole lot of local cop support. Something is going on... no news, no sirens, no flashing lights but its definitely something out of the ordinary with road blocks etc. Maybe we're winning the war?
 

stan_deezy

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Originally posted by Triton II:<br /> Maybe we're winning the war?
I hope so but don't count your chickens just yet.<br /><br />Good news though and I hope it stops the little scum from scoring a direct hit!
 

rodbolt

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wow no one can answer 3 simple questions without attacking me. the jordanian thing has happened before,several times, without so much CNN coverage. its also happened in shri lanka,india,israel and pakistan for the past 3 decades without much coverage. the fact is there is no formal declaration of war. cause as long as we are fighting ghosts it will be the same as the war on poverty and the war on drugs. no one in this or past administrations has had the political balls to whack off the snakes head.<br /> most of the current terror is directed at the west not because we are so evil but because our regime changes and policies in the 50's,60's 70's and 80's created extreme poverty and hoplessness in a land that should have been incredibly fat and happy. the french just got a taste of what happens when a large group of people lose all hope of the future.<br /> in the westren nations fear and knee jerking to the "communist" threat we did some nasty things, now the "commie" threat has been replaced by the "terror" threat its just more of the same.<br /> by the wests backing of some incredibly corrupt and repressive regimes,including some we installed, we created an entire 3 generations of dissillusioned groups that have no hope of ever having a job,wife,kids ,cars, retirement and vacations. we did it in the name of blocking commies. look at every country with a democratically elected govt or not that in the 50's and 60's attempted to nationalize their oil fields.<br /> when the west had the chance in the 50's and 60's to solidify support and friendships it was blown for oil profits. <br /> dont get me wrong I am in no way sympathizing with any terror groups, those my age in the UK remember well the IRA.<br /> however until you understand how and why a suicide bomber became that illusioned with life you cannot stop them.<br /> can anyone name one suicide bomber that was a CEO or a wealthy bussiness man? the profile,from the FBI and CIA is male,16-30, dirt poor, illetrerate except for religous teachings and dissilusioned with life. its happened here on a smaller scale, France is getting a taste now. <br /> I dont have the solution, I am still trying to figgure out the why. but the trigger is not a specific group or a specific person its the lifestyle that they live in. and for the most part the west,not just the US, played a great part in the repressive regimes cause they could turn on the oil taps and make it flow west rather than east.<br /> its rather funny reading some of the posts about countries that supported folks like saddam,milosovich and pinochet as well as a few others. dig back in the history books and see how those folks got there and who armed them. <br />here in the US ,if we are not careful, bleeding the amount of cash we are bleeding, our economy may go the way of the russian bear's. we did not eliminate the commie threat, it was eliminated by economics and the afghan war was the straw that broke them. the russian afghan war was the economic straw that did in the russian economy. if we are not careful our deficit will weaken the US and china is sitting patiently watching with a smile.<br /><br /> Dunaruna<br /> reconciliation is not an option due to there is no one to reconcile with. the only method I can see is to show them,not beat it into them, that there is a better life. to do that the rest of the world will have to insure that no more repressive dictatorships remain. that is the problem. we cant eliminate corruption here much less over there.<br /> if the world is not careful the south americas will become the next middle east, corruption is rampant,the large segment of the poor have no hope of ever advancing yet they watch accross the street at the incredibly wealthy behind locked doors. the govts there are becoming incredibly wealthy on oil but the poor get none. its a bad mix. Saddam was a glaring example of corrupt excess's.
 

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I hate to say this, and in fact I've thought long and hard about this post but here goes: "fighting against ghosts": very similar to what we had to endure in the UK during the recent "troubles" in Northern Ireland. There were only two differences: we weren't fighting suicide bombers (well, we did have occassions when the poor souls blew themselves up on the way to a mission) the other difference was that we did have someone to reconcile with. Did our government win against the IRA? I have my doubts. It seems far more likely that talking and, more importantly, listening was the key.<br />Now here's something really contraversial: a heck of a lot of the support/funds/weapons came from the US to Eire. Supposing the British Governement had decided to fight a global war on terror and target the supporters? <br />Before you all start shooting at once I'm only playing Devils Advocate and trying to make a small point using recent, relevant history.<br /><br />Just a thought and now I'm retreating to the relative safety of my bunker with body armour and kevlar helmet in place :D
 

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Sorry rodbolt, I am pretty sure you were reacting to me as there was nobody else that had a problem except for Aldo's post . . . I didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you. When you take strong positions you're gonna get strong reactions . . . I actually think your research etc. is very good and I read all of your posts. Frankly I don't like calling this thing a war either, but to me it is not about semantics, there are REAL enemies and they want us dead. I want them gone. <br /><br />Your last post gives me a lot to think about, but I will dispute that economics leads directly to murder. A lack of morality leads to murder. At least morality that I can understand. There are many dirt poor cultures that don't strap bombs to themselves, and there are plenty of murderers that are wealthy. This may seem simple to some, but ultimately it is not about why you do it, it is about what you do . . . Think about it.<br /><br />BTW, the Economics Leads to Crime theme has been referred to as "the great lie of the left" and the Race Leads to Crime theme has been referred to as "the great lie of the right". I believe that. (in case anybody wants to attack that, I do not mean the collective right or the collective left and they are not my quotes.)<br /><br />Aldo took the time to answer and your response is that we "have to insure that no more repressive dictatorships remain", sounds like a rationalization of the war in Iraq to me. Also, sounds like a reason to get rid of Castro and Kim in North Korea too. Thoughts? Did I misinterpret something?<br /><br />I am not as interested in the past as some, although I love history. I don't care that we messed up in Iraq when we cozied up to Saddam, ya know it "seemed like a good idea at the time". I don't see how us developing others resources, yes, for our use etc. leads to a rationalization for murder.<br /><br />These guys believe we deserve to die because we do not follow their religion and because we have defended Israel. If there has ever been somebody that needs help it is Israel. Almost everyone that surrounds them wants them dead AND wants their land and believes that we helped them steal it. Those that oppose Israel tend to forget that. To help put this into perspective as far as rationalizing terror is concerned, ask yourself this: If Israel stopped attacking Palestinian positions tomorrow would the suicide bombings stop? If the Palestinians stopped their suicide bombings in Israel, would Israel stop attacking Palestinians?
 

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Wow Stan, you shouldn't be so factual and honest on this channel.<br />I don't wish to start a argument here but what Stan said re the IRA (funds/weapons/support) has been widely known throughout the world for decades. <br />If Americans had withdrawn that support a lot of people would not have died, and a solution would probably been found decades ago.<br />I vividly recal an imigrant (from Ireland to NZ) telling me if the Americans would butt-out of the Nth Ireland problem they could bring peace to the place, and that was back in the 70's.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

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It's important to note that those funds were private not Gov't. Correct me if I am wrong, but most if not all funneled from American Catholics of Irish decent, again privately. Seems a lot different than what rodbolt is pointing out.
 

Skinnywater

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Before you all start shooting at once I'm only playing Devils Advocate and trying to make a small point using recent, relevant history.<br /><br />Just a thought and now I'm retreating to the relative safety of my bunker with body armour and kevlar helmet in place
Pointing out hypocracy only offends those hypocrites. ;)
 

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Originally posted by Quietcat:<br /> It's important to note that those funds were private not Gov't. Correct me if I am wrong, but most if not all funneled from American Catholics of Irish decent, again privately. Seems a lot different than what rodbolt is pointing out.
Yep we knew that but there are similarities: Osama Bin Laden isn't a government, just a private individual.........
 

rodbolt

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and where did and does osammy get his funding? from other "private" individuals in saudi arabia. and who supports the sauds like white on rice, dont look at the current administration.<br /> quietcat<br /> I did not feel you were attacking me. not at all.<br /> however you cannot compare the average murder suspect with a suicide bomber. the suicide bomber has no hope in this life, the average bomber has a materiel goal to accomplish or its an emotional thing in a relationship.<br /> as far as history goes its proven that those that dont remember it are doomed to repeat it. and repeating our failed policies overseas is something our govt seems to do consistantly. name a dictaor or regime we installed that worked.<br /> gunboat diplomacy sounds good, nice and catchy, but does not work.<br /><br /> look up the CIA estimates of the size of al-queda prior to 03. there were no al-queda cells in Iraq prior to 03, then look up the number of prisoners just in gitmo, then look at the amount of "insurgents" in just Iraq. do a bit of math. seems the numbers just aint adding up.<br /> seems even oor man that was installed in Iraq was about as reliable and corrupt as the one we prevoisly installed then recently uninstalled.<br /> as long as our policies are allowed to be driven by corperate profits its all going to be more of the same but with global shrinkage and better technology you will see better "terror" methods from all side. the US included.<br /><br /> how many men women and children died during just the iran iraq conflict due to the US policy of playing both sides for oil? how many nicaraguans died so we could get cheap goods and lumber with reagans wonderful policy?<br /> seems the more we meddle the more folks die.<br /><br /> in the past 2 months some 2000 prisoners, some held almost 3 years, have been released from gitmo alone after being found innocent of crimes. how would you feel if you had been arrested,tortured,incarcerated and then given 25 dollars and a buss ride home? would ya tend to hate those responsible for your incarceration? how about the rest of the family back home that was dependant on you for their daily bread? reckon they will welcome your detainers with open loving arms?<br /> ths whole "war" on terror was a poorly planed,at best, knee jerk reaction from someone.<br /> if the world was mislead into it I would like to know who and why did the misleading. <br /> if the intel community skewed the data we need to know and to correct the deficiencies, if the current admin skewed the data intentionally we need to know and correct the deficiencies.<br /> our worldwide credibility is tanked. without it we will swim alone with no shark watch or net.<br /> not good in todays world.<br /> could ya imagine good intel to the white house about a strike from korea or iran? how would we convince the rest of the world it is credible? I think tony blair would cringe about now. much less the rest of our allies, it would be to hard a sell for their politics now. so its time to restore the US credibility, if it means exposing corrupt and lying leaders so be it. if it means a radical shake up of the CIA and DIA as well as the FBI thats just what needs to be done.
 

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rodbolt, you did use the "attacking me" thing so I thought I would clarify . . .<br /><br />Anyway, I understand the "doomed to repeat it" thing too. My point was that it doesn't really matter once people are plotting to kill you. It does for future planning in a macro sense, but not in a protect us now sense. I don't share your somewhat cynical view of the US though (I know you love this country), and I think it is dangerous if you casually leave out all of the good we do around the globe. We are the most generous nation on earth and we have saved more people than anybody else too. Why no mention of life in Japan after we left, how about South Korea? And of course, France, Germany etc. We are not murdering, leave it as wasteland, people, we rebuild, we stay and help, we keep pumping money in. Go ahead throw out Vietnam, but in general we have always made lives better after we have been involved in conflict. Yes, we have made some mistakes and I believe in investigating the intel etc. etc. etc. But I still believe to protect our interests, access to resources etc. we need to be active. I don't like it, but it is a necessity. Despite a lot of left leaning chanting about stealing oil etc. we just want to buy stuff. Unless the left allows exploration and development in our own country we are stuck depending on access to other's stuff or we could go back to living in caves. It is that simple. Energy is the lifeblood of this world as it is now. Sorry, no rewind button.<br /><br />Do you really believe that Colin Powell would have put himself on the line at the UN if he didn't believe the intel was accurate? I believe he would have resigned over that if he knew . . . If he didn't know then there is only a handful of guys that would have. Pretty tough to put all that together between Cheney and Bush alone. Do you really think that is what happened? Do you believe that Powell is a stupid chump? You can't have it both ways . . .<br /><br />I CAN compare the average murderer (not suspect) with a suicide bomber. I see very little difference except that some people think there is some level of justification for the disgustingly slimier of the two. I don't care how mad you are, I don't care how disillusioned you are, I don't care how desperate you are, you don't strap a bomb onto yourself and kill innocent people. Period. It is morally repugnant and defending it in ANY way is too. I know, I know, that you are not personally defending it per se, but to act like there is justification in even THEIR minds is to start down that path. It needs to be condemned with every word, and every thought. It is horrible and morally disgusting no matter what!!!!!
 
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