Newly rebuilt Chrysler 360 froze up durring the winter (Rust, Not ice.). Now what?

rs2k

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I just picked up an early 80s Chrysler Challenger boat that had a fresh 30 over rebuild on the Chrysler 360 engine last year. The block was correctly winterized, but the previous owner neglected to fog or even cover the engine for the winter. When the previous owner went to go use it last week it was locked up. I bought it and decided to take it on as a project boat. I would appreciate any help or incite someone may have on this engine.

The block had clean and what looked like new motor oil in it. I pulled the plugs and worked the engine back and forth with a big wrench and a literal boat load of WD40, carb cleaner, and silicon spray penetrating fluid. After about an hour I got it to turn over with the starter just fine. After running a compression test on two cylinders (90 PSI and 60 PSI) I decided to pull the heads and have a look. It looks like the lack of compression came from the rusty valves. I could hear and see WD40 coming back out of the intake when doing the compression test like a valve was not seating. After pulling the heads I can see the valves are too pitted to get a good seal.

All the corrosion seems limited to the heads, carb, and intake manifold. The pistons looked brand new and the cylinder walls still had the honing marks. There was rusty WD40 around the sides of the pistons so I just kept spraying and wiping them with Carb cleaner until the cleaner came out clear.

The cylinder walls look to be in good shape except for some minor discoloration which cannot be felt with the fingernail and some minor corrosion where the rings were that can be felt my the fingernail. After really working one bit of corrosion with a load of paper towels and WD40 I was able to take it back down to the cylinder walls. I think taking a nice scotch pad to the walls will get them cleaned up again.

I'm a bit worried about the pistons rings. It took a lot of spraying to get the rust out of that location, but I'm hoping all the rust is from the heads and valves and not from the relatively clean cylinder walls and piston rings. After getting the heads fixed I plan on checking the compression again. If I don't get a good reading I'll probably pull the block and do a re-hone and re-ring job. I really don't think the block is bad enough to require re-machining at this point, but I don't know for sure.

The heads are another concern for me. There is no doubt that valves are toast, but is it possible I could just get by with just cleaning the heads of corrosion and replacing the valves? I having seen the valve seats yet, but everything else is in good shape.

I've always like the joke that a bad engine should be used as a boat anchor. The interesting thing is that this engine looks like it was used as a boat anchor. The rust was in large soft spots and looked like barnacles. It didn't look or feel like normal rust at all.
 

mkast

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Re: Newly rebuilt Chrysler 360 froze up durring the winter (Rust, Not ice.). Now what

Disassemble, clean and reassemble.
 

mylesm260

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Re: Newly rebuilt Chrysler 360 froze up durring the winter (Rust, Not ice.). Now what

If your feeling lucky:

Go have the head rebuilt, reinstall, run the engine, do a compression test.


If your feeling like you want to make sure it's going to work:
Pull that block outa there, fire it on your engine stand, pull the pistons and go from there.


If it was me, I would try just the head first.... I'm sure the forum experts could offer some more concrete advice though.....
 

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Re: Newly rebuilt Chrysler 360 froze up durring the winter (Rust, Not ice.). Now what

You MUST at a minimum take it apart and clean the ring grooves in the pistons. I would put a new set of rings in it. They will be all clogged up with the rust they scraped off the cylinder walls and pitted up where they were rusted to the walls. The oil control rings (lower ones, will have scraped all the rust off as the pistons are forced down) will be unable to rotate as they will be clogged with rust. You may be able to get away with just cleaning them up if you're trying to get by real cheap, but you'll have to take it apart far enough to do so.

Been there, done that more times than I want to count! :)
 

sebago_kid

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Re: Newly rebuilt Chrysler 360 froze up durring the winter (Rust, Not ice.). Now what

could he get by with relapping the valves and seats?:confused:
 

rs2k

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Re: Newly rebuilt Chrysler 360 froze up durring the winter (Rust, Not ice.). Now what

The only reason I'm hesitant about taking the engine out is that I don't have a hoist large enough to lift it out of a boat. I thought about building a small rig to go up into the garage rafters.

Can I reuse the shell bearings? I have no reason to believe they're bad. The motor oil looked great and everything else screams of fresh engine.


Since I can't use a starter on this engine without the drive, can I run a compression test just by turning the crank over by hand? I think I'll go ahead and take the engine out, tear it down. Re-hone and re-ring the engine. Clean and lap the valves. Put it back together and check for compression. If everything is good I'll put it back in the boat and test it out.
 

coastalcruiser

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Re: Newly rebuilt Chrysler 360 froze up durring the winter (Rust, Not ice.). Now what

Here ya go Just had to add 4 extra 2'x6' cost $26
 

mkast

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Re: Newly rebuilt Chrysler 360 froze up durring the winter (Rust, Not ice.). Now what

The only reason I'm hesitant about taking the engine out is that I don't have a hoist large enough to lift it out of a boat. I thought about building a small rig to go up into the garage rafters.

Can I reuse the shell bearings? I have no reason to believe they're bad. The motor oil looked great and everything else screams of fresh engine.


Since I can't use a starter on this engine without the drive, can I run a compression test just by turning the crank over by hand? I think I'll go ahead and take the engine out, tear it down. Re-hone and re-ring the engine. Clean and lap the valves. Put it back together and check for compression. If everything is good I'll put it back in the boat and test it out.


You can reuse everything except the gaskets.
Plastigage the bearings, clean the rings and internals, inspect according to the manufacturer's maintenance manual serviceable limits and reassemble.
Why would you hone the cylinders? The engine doesn't have any running time. Clean the cylinder walls.
The engine needs to spin a little faster then your arm can turn it.
 
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