Newbie looking for some boat advice - my first boat

grey2112

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Hello there - my wife and I are looking to buy our first boat. We've narrowed it down to the Key West Bay Reef - found the two following ones locally that have caught our interest:

Boat # 1 - keywest 196 bayreef boat with a johnson 150 (2003) boat is in great shape. 8' powerpole and 74 lb thrust minnkota trolling motor. has on board battery charge for trolling motor batteries. custom trailer wheels just put on 3 months ago. new water pump installed last season. motor and carbs just serviced last season as well. compression is even and good on all six cylinders

Humminbird fishfinder, lowrance iway 600c, boat cover, two casting chairs.

Owned by an auto mechanic who apparently really babied it and took very good care of it inside and out - the pics of it look amazing - like brand new.

Said his best price was $11,500 - may be able to get him down a little bit more

Boat # 2 - 2004 196 BayReef with a 4-stroke 150HP Yamaha engine, power pole, trolling motor, bimini top, and Garmin 178. Has 162 hours on it. It is at a dealership and was a trade-in. They are asking $15,999 for it. I am assuming I can probably haggle a bit - let's say maybe to $14500-$15000


Would it be worth the extra $3000-$3500 to get a boat that is a year younger, has the bimini, the nicer Garmin, and most importantly a low-hour 4 stroke Yamaha vs. the 2 stroke Johnson with more hours on it? For $3500-$4000 more I get a 4-stroke with low hours and a bimini, but the other boat looks in immaculate condition - I figure with the $3500 savings (assuming I could get the 4-stroke boat down in price to $15000) if I even got 2-3 years out of the 2 stroke before needing to repower it, I could take that money and eventually apply it to a new engine and get a 2013-2014 engine that would be even nicer, have a warranty, etc. Maybe by then they'd be even more fuel efficient, etc. I keep reading so many different pros/cons on the 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke. I am really just taking a risk either way - if the current 2stroke is in great shape and just got a checkup/servicing and has excellent compression, chances are it will be good to go for a while. Boom, I end up saving a bit of cash. I have no idea about the 4-stroke since it was a trade-in and I can't talk with the owner.

Ugh - guess I'll have to go over each with a fine-tooth comb, hold out for my best deal, and then crunch the numbers
 

dave11

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Re: Newbie looking for some boat advice - my first boat

I have a 4 stroke Yamaha and love it. My wife hated the 2 stroke smell. You will love the power pole.
 

IslandManMitch

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Re: Newbie looking for some boat advice - my first boat

"- if the current 2 stroke is in great shape and just got a checkup/servicing and has excellent compression, chances are it will be good to go for a while."
If you keep it well maintained it should be good to go for a long while.
 

grey2112

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Re: Newbie looking for some boat advice - my first boat

"- if the current 2 stroke is in great shape and just got a checkup/servicing and has excellent compression, chances are it will be good to go for a while."
If you keep it well maintained it should be good to go for a long while.

Good to hear. We went and checked out the 2004 4-stroke Yamaha boat today. Ewwwwwwww

Was NOT impressed - it had stains, dings, faded areas, cracked and dry-rotted rubber/plastic areas, rust stains from tools left in compartments, corrosion, etc. Even if the engine only has 168 hours on it, it makes me seriously wonder how lax the owner was in taking good care of it. It just had this palpable feeling of neglect about it.

Am checking out the 2-stroke 2003 tomorrow and hopefully a 21 foot 216 Bay Reef, 2001 model with Yamaha 150 as well.
 

CaptainKickback

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Re: Newbie looking for some boat advice - my first boat

Sounds like you're giving the boats a good hard look. Good for you. I have to agree that if the owner neglected the boat, he didn't take care of the motor either. Also, I'm willing to bet, with only 168 hours on a 7 year old boat, that it sat for long periods with no use (as bad as too many hours).

Will be waiting to hear your report on the second boat.
 

grey2112

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Re: Newbie looking for some boat advice - my first boat

Sounds like you're giving the boats a good hard look. Good for you. I have to agree that if the owner neglected the boat, he didn't take care of the motor either. Also, I'm willing to bet, with only 168 hours on a 7 year old boat, that it sat for long periods with no use (as bad as too many hours).

Will be waiting to hear your report on the second boat.

I realize that there is no such thing as a perfect used boat (or a perfect NEW one for that matter - LOL) but I'm trying to keep from getting someone elses problem. Some people treat their tools and equipment/machinery with respect and care, and some run them hard or neglect them.

I'm in no rush, luckily, so for the first time in a long time, time is on my side and I don't have to jump at the first thing that comes along. It is a liberating feeling :)

I agree with you about the low hours - any machinery that sits and isn't used, especially something fueled with gasoline and that uses oil, is NOT a good thing.
 

drrpm

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Re: Newbie looking for some boat advice - my first boat

It sounds like boat #1 is the better choice. That motor should have many years of life left in it.
 

grey2112

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Re: Newbie looking for some boat advice - my first boat

It sounds like boat #1 is the better choice. That motor should have many years of life left in it.

Well, we looked at Boat #1 yesterday - WOW! It looked practically brand new, and the engine was in great shape. The owner is an auto mechanic for Maserati, and he has done a lot of PM work and replaced parts before they ever even needed it. We're trying to come to an agreement on price, and we'll do a sea trial soon, but if we can find common ground on the price, I think I found our boat!

PS - does $11000 seem like a good price? Found out it also has 2 casting seats, front bow cushion, onboard recharger for the trolling motor batteries, and is in mint condition.
 

Bamaman1

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Re: Newbie looking for some boat advice - my first boat

It's nice that you've been able to see where boat #1 came from and the kind of person that owned it. It's a very good indication of the mechanical quality of the boat. High line import service technicians are different from Chevy and Ford car mechanics--more perfectionists.

Go for #1. Now, for an analysis on the projected price, I am no expert on marine pricing. I think someone does best to get on the internet web sites and make a comparison to what comparable boats are pulling--nationwide. I start at IBoats.com and then go to Boattraders.com. The prices for used boats are really pretty easy to determine after doing some investigation.

By the way, a well maintained big 2 stroke engine can last a long, long time. My 115 hp 2 stroke Yamaha is 26 years old--and running great.

Good luck!
 
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