New to boating - Need help please

Bratt

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Hello all. I'm from sunny South Africa. I browsed through the forums and saw that this is probably the best place to find info. My question. I've recently bought a boat from a friend. Its a 14ft Chrysler Valiant, with a 1969 45HP Chrysler outboard.(Ive read that not a lot of guys like these motors but hey, I bought the whole boat with ski's for R5000(+- 650 US$)) The boat is in an extremely good condition (given its age). Now I've taken the boat out to the lake twice and it ran fine. Starts easily, runs fine the whole day. The problem I have is low power. It cant pull a 185lb. skier out of the water. My other friend has a similar size boat with and old 1970's 40HP Yamaha and he does so(Stuggles a bit but does it). His boat goes a lot faster than mine too. (A hell of a lot faster)Now I know this motor is old, but it runs fine.It just doesn't have any power. Maybe its just clogged up, I dont know? Could you please help with suggestions on how to "clean up" the motor, and get it going a bit faster. (It doesn't seem to get up to high revs, its ponders along in the midrange - So it sounds, I might be wrong)I've already changed sparkplugs and it made very little difference. Any help will be appreciated. Thanx
 

Bratt

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Re: New to boating - Need help please

O yeah, and were do I check the gearbox oil.<br /><br />Thanx
 

ajp

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Re: New to boating - Need help please

I would try wakeboarding. It takes less to pull a person up and is alot more fun than skiing. In fact skiing is on the way out. In the US they sell wakeboards 10 to 1 over skis. <br /><br />Other than that, for a small boat, it is all in the technique of getting up. The skier has to know how to get up. Anyone 150 lbs on up can stay down in the water and simply push the water till they can't hold on any more. The skier or wakeboarder has to get the board or skis level, then they will easily rise out of the water. <br /><br />See this site www.wakeworld.com
 

Bratt

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Re: New to boating - Need help please

The person who tried to ski is an experienced skier. The boat just wouldn't pull hard enough. He tried with my friends boat and there he got out of the water. I personally think my motor is down on power. But again I might be wrong. I just would like to know how to "clean up/DIY tune/Shape-up" my motor. But thanx for the advice, I think I will buy a wakeboard. (much more fun)
 

ajp

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Re: New to boating - Need help please

I learned to slalom ski when I was a kid and did it for recreation for 30 years. Then I borrowed a wakeboard, tried it, and have not skied since(4 years), It is much easier on the body and the tricks are alot of fun to learn. <br /><br />It could be that the boats have weight differences that could hamper the skiier. A couple hundred pounds heavier will have an affect on the motor performance.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: New to boating - Need help please

Bratt..... Chryslers are not my line of expertise but various (general) specifications would apply to any outboard.... and so I'll jump in here for a moment.<br /><br />First, check the compression which on any engine should be in the range of approximately 100+ psi and "even" on all cylinders.<br /><br />Check the plugs carefully for traces of water which might indicate a head gasket starting to fail. Also check to make sure that you are using the correct s/plug with the correct gap setting for that particular engine.<br /><br />Next, check the spark (with the s/plugs out). Standard ignition should have a spark that would jump a 1/4" gap on all cylinders with a strong blue flame. Electronic ignition (solid state) should jump a 7/16" gap.<br /><br />With the engine NOT running, spin the prop by hand and put the engine into forward gear (spinning the prop allows the shifter dog to engage the forward gear to avoid a shift mismatch so to speak). Move the throttle lever to the full throttle position, then look directly inside of the carburetor throat. The throttle butterfly should be perfectly horizontal... the full throttle position. If not, find out why.<br /><br />If all of the above are as they should be, two possibilities are possible.<br /><br />1 - Various engines have their horsepower rated at the powerhead, others at the propeller shaft. If yours is the former, by the time the power is trasfered to the propeller shaft, the horsepower of 45hp would be diminished somewhat. Should this be the case, the cure to your problem would be to purchase a propeller with less pitch which would increase the engines torque at the prop. This would result in a increase of propeller thrust which would be needed to pull a skier out of the hole..... but watch the top end rpm as it might be possible to exceed the rated limit.<br /><br />2 - The carburetor is somewhat clogged, fouled, gummed up. This is the usual cause of a power loss problem.... the most common. The cure would be to remove the carb, clean and rebuilt it. I don't know what type carburetor your engine has, single or dual adjustable needle valves, or all fixed jets, however I'll list the adjustment procedure of the first two as follows:<br /><br />(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)<br /><br />Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.<br /><br />Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.<br /> <br />Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting. <br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.<br />-------------------------------------------------- <br />(Carburetor Adjustments - Two Adjustable N/Vs) <br /><br />Initial settings are: Bottom high speed = seat gently, then open 1 turn out. Top slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns. <br /><br />Setting the high and low needle valves properly: <br /><br />NOTE: For engines that DO NOT have a shift selection, obviously there is no NEUTRAL position. Simply lower the rpms to the lowest setting to obtain the low speed needle valve adjustment.<br /><br />(High Speed) Start engine (it will run pretty rough), shift into forward gear, take up to full throttle. In segments of 1/8 turn, waiting for the engine to respond between turns, start turning in the bottom high speed needle valve. You'll reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the needle valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest setting. <br /><br />(Low Speed) Slow the engine down to where it just stays running. Shift into neutral. Again in segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the top needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running. Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back. Again, at that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting. <br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustments, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
 

Terry H

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Re: New to boating - Need help please

Bratt...one thing that would make a diference is the pitch of the prop...I don't know what boat you have, but you should be able to pull a skier if you have an efficient hull design. 45hp is kinda minimal on power so you need the right propeller. You need to monitor the rpms of your motor, which develops it's power at 5000-5500 rpms...and use a prop that allows you to reach that level, or even a little higher. A lower pitch prop will give you a little better acceleration at slower speeds...just a Thought
 

Bratt

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Re: New to boating - Need help please

Thanx for the help thusfar. Will go and try these things the weekend. I'be got Chrysler Valiant hull. 14 ft.(1969)<br /><br />The prop is a 13 1/2 pitch. I've got another one spare thats a 11 1/2 pitch. So I guys the smaller one will work better.
 
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