New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

elf62

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I had a previous thread and got some great advice from Tail Gunner and Chappy but figured I would go ahead and provide my data on hwsii form since I have read so many of his posts. I am leaning towards Stiletto Bay Pro II or Solas Titan HR4 18p but wanted to double check sizing/geometry and get your thoughts.

Iboats Boat and Motor Info

1. Year, make and model of boat: 2009 Four Winns H200
2. Length, width and base weight of boat, look for boat decal on back of boat: 19'8", 8'4", 3000 LB
2a.What is the maximum recommended HP for your boat: 270
3. Number of people and gallons of gas normally on boat: 2-6 people, usually 4 people, 20 gals of gas
4. What do you use the boat for: Mostly wakeboarding, tubing, and kneeboarding
5. Is it a Deep Vee and if so how many degrees of deadrise: Yes, 19 degrees
6. Year, make. manufacturer and model of motor: 2008 Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi with SX drive
7. HP and gear ratio of motor IMPORTANT: 225 hp, 1.61:1 GR
If you don?t know the ratio, you need to pull the plugs out and put a piece of tape across the prop and the lower unit and then cut it between the prop and the housing then do the same thing on the flywheel and turn the motor until the tape lines up with each other on the prop, it is easier if two people do this, so one can watch the prop while the other counts the revolutions of the motor
8. Manufacturer?s recommended Wide Open Throttle (WOT) range: 4400-4800
9. Anti-ventilation Plate height above keel of boat if it is an outboard in inches, use a board under the keel and stiking out to the anti ventilation plate for a referene
10. Is it a bass boat or does it have a pad bottom: No
11. Does it have a hydrafoil, dolefin or trim tabs: No
12. Make, model, diameter, pitch, number of blades and whether SS or aluminum prop: Volvo Penta 14.3" 21p 3 blade aluminum
13. WOT RPM and speed from your current prop and how much gas and how many people were in the boat for the test data and is the speed by GPS. Make sure you trim the prop up until it starts ventilating and then just trim in until it quits ventilating. If you do not have a tach you can buy a digital tachometer and hour meter here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Tacho...Q5fAccessories $ 35
RPM ___4500______ Speed __45____ GPS __No____ No. of people __3____ Gal. Gas ___15_____
14. Are you at sea level or a higher elevation, give us the elevation in feet: Sea Level
15. Has your motor been tuned up lately and have you checked that the carburetor butterfly is opening all the way by just pushing the throttle at the helm and not at the carburetor, checked compression, and looked at the plugs and checked spark as well as timing and advance, all of the foregoing could be the reason your prop is not attaining full RPM: Yes, tuned at 20 hrs, boat had around 40 hrs for test
16. How long has this prop been on the boat and why, at this time, do you think it is the wrong prop: OEM prop, minor damage, want 4 blade, probably SS for watersports
17. Does the prop show any damage that you can see: Small piece broken off on one of the blades.
18. What problems are you trying to cure or what are you looking for the boat to do that it is not doing the way you think it should or to your expectations: Better holeshot and planing at lower speeds for watersports.
19. If you are trying to attain a better cruising speed and fuel savings or trying to attain a faster speed I will want you to take your boat and run it with 1 or 2 people and give me the RPM and speed readings starting at 3,000 RPM in 500 RPM increments all the way to WOT.

REMEMBER, The numbers I give you will be NO better than the information you give me

The only thing I ask of you is to come back and give me a report of WOT RPM and speed for my database.
 

craze1cars

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

I think you're right in the ballpark with your guestimate. However I believe you won't be able to find a HR Titan in an 18...only odd numbered pitches I believe.

So I'd guess probably an 18 in the Stilletto, and maybe a 19 in the HR Titan...though I wonder if your RPMS may still be a bit low with that model. And then again I fear a 17 in HR Titan would over-rev on your boat...

Try one and report back!
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

:I wish i could say the 18 will be chosen one one but until its on the boat not going there...:D But if your doing 4500 rpm @ wot and with a load turning a 23 then a 19 pitch 4 blade in ss would be a bit heavy and the 18 should be the sweet spot...And again in the end your splitting hairs here again i should no....I tinker around to the point that it is begining to annoy my wife..Hmm i wonder if one could make a necklace out of props...There shiny enough...:facepalm:
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

=Tail_Gunner;3395995But if your doing 4500 rpm @ wot and with a load turning a 23...


He's not. He's doing 4,500 turning a 21.
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

He's not. He's doing 4,500 turning a 21.

12. Make, model, diameter, pitch, number of blades and whether SS or aluminum prop: Volvo Penta 14.3" 21p 3 blade aluminum

I guess i just did a quick look....did not see the 21

21@ 4500
20@ 4700
19@4900
18@ 5100

less two for ss...4900 one for the 4th blade 4800.....and cross your fingers...:D

As posted here:

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=492437&p=3379163#post3379163
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

"However I believe you won't be able to find a HR Titan in an 18...only odd numbered pitches I believe."

According to the website, they make it. http://www.solas.com/newweb/propeller/news/brand.asp?cat=E&FkindNo=F22&SkindNo=S07&PdKd=SS

I'll have to see if I can find it. Was also considering Stiletto Bay Pro 2 so I am interested in thoughts anyone may have on comparisons between Bay Pro 2 and Titan HR4. One obvious difference is that Bay Pro has the custom hub versus the press-in hub that HR Titan has. Does that make the install much more difficult? Are there any advantages to the custom hub?
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

Ya good luck on obtaining that 18....having gone thru the same dance this past spring I predict it ain't gonna happen. I owned an HR Titan 19 running 5,200 and a 21 running 4,800. But being the ever-perfectionist I was seeking a HR Titan 4 blade in a 20 pitch to dial in EXACTLY 5,000 rpms. Like you, found it on Solas site. And then I went so far as to find one from a vendor who claimed to have access to it. I clicked and paid for it. Then they talked to Solas. Not available...odd numbers only. Got a full refund. Got the same exact story from a second vendor as well...even pitched Solas HR Titans are apparently made out of unobtanium...at least they were a few months ago. Maybe that has changed....

So not to discourage you from trying, but if you are actually successful I'd be interested in where you obtained it from. I've found the Solas website generally sucks and is usually out-of-date and difficult to navigate in my opinion.

I ended up giving up, and I took my 21 pitch HR Titan to a prop shop and paid them to repitch to a 20. That got me dialed in perfectly, but obviously it cost a few extra bucks...then I sold the 19.

I can't offer comparison with Stilletto. All I can say is I now have a HR Titan 4 blade on my 20 ft Stingray with mildly modded approx 250 hp 5.0 L Volvo Penta, and I absolutely love it for my purposes. The repitched 21 to 20 provides me fanstastic holeshot for watersports, nice low planing speed (can hold 14 or 15 mph with nose down and Pefectpass set...I can't hold it manually that slow however), and it gets me a consistent 57 mph GPS top speed with light load at my exact 5,000 rpm target. The best do-it-all prop I've ever owned for reasonable cash. BUT I'm not brand loyal, and I freely acknowledge that maybe the Stilletto would do the same or slightly better or slightly worse. Just once I got this one dialed in, I called it "done" and stopped spending money so I never tried one....
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

I found 4 or 5 places that will let you click on the part number, add it to your cart, and pay for the item....

Again, not one of the two that I actually ordered from could actually deliver the product to my door. I will be very interested if you find different results. I didn't bother with the others because listed prices were too high for my taste.

This link you provided is NOT one of the companies I tried, so I can't tell you if they any good or bad, or if they migh thave it. The price is among the lower ones. So why not give'r a shot and see what happens??...credit card orders are easy to reverse/challenge if they go deadbeat on ya...but odds are it's a legit company that simply lists all parts that they THINK they can get as a special order, though I doubt they actually have all those props in stock/on hand.

I'll bet dollars-to-donuts they can't get it...but just maybe I'll lose my donuts if you take that bet...
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

I ended up giving up, and I took my 21 pitch HR Titan to a prop shop and paid them to repitch to a 20.

Mind me asking how much this cost? I need to do the same thing. Thanks!
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

My local shop charged me $10 per blade....$40 total.

However, it's important to note that was the upcharge from their normal rebuild/rebalance charge, because I had a few minor nicks etc that I had took care of at the same time. So I think I paid about $175 (if memory serves) for a complete rebuild and repitch on the 4 blade stainless at my local shop.

Repitching ALONE most likely costs more.
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

Thanks, will drop out now so I will not be accused of hijacking this thread!
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

I never received a reply to the email I sent American Boat Propeller so I was poised to pull the trigger on a Stiletto Bay Pro II until my engine overheated this weekend. I fear I may be replacing the water pump or worse so I am holding off on the prop purchase. I am still interested in any input folks wish to provide. If my current problem is not too expensive, I hope to get a prop before Labor Day. I will post back when I make a purchase and test it out.
 

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Re: New Prop for Four Winns H200 with Volvo Penta 4.3L GXi

I never got the prop until 2012 and forgot to post back. I ended up with the Stiletto Bay Pro II 18p and it worked out great. I got improved maneuverability at low speeds, greater hole shot, and not much reduction in top speed (hit 43 MPH at about 4800 RPM with 2 on board). Bought the prop online for $300. The improved hull shot has been worth it since we do a lot of wakeboarding and slalom skiing. Thanks to all who offered advice.
 
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