"New" OLD Honda - ripoff!

mathbeak

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My wife and I are feeling pretty "burned" by Honda - our new-in-'01 BF50A turns out to have been manufactured, by Honda Canada's own admission, in 1995. (post further down with details) So... we have a 10 year-old engine that we thought was 4 years old. Anyone else notice the same thing? I think that this is a rip-off, since we paid a 2001 price for 1995 motor.
 

all thumbs

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Re: "New" OLD Honda - ripoff!

How do you tell the year? On mine I find 2 tags. BAZS andBF50A.
 

tmarti n000

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Does it run great? If so, who cares???? Warranty same as new??<br /><br />just a thought.........<br /><br />Tom
 
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DJ

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If so, who cares????
Resale will suffer greatly. <br /><br />I would be a bit peeved too.<br /><br />"Technically" it is new, but.
 

tommays

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i dont feel this is a honda problem <br /><br />BUT is a dealer who should be taken out and shot problem<br /><br />the worst part is it would cost so dam much to get treated correctly in legal fees<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

granpafish

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Re: "New" OLD Honda - ripoff!

I also would be interested on how you discovered this deception.
 

mathbeak

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"I also would be interested on how you discovered this deception."<br /><br />... On the top of the transom frame of the motor, under it's "chin", so-to-speak, is a plate or sticker with the year of manufacture, and the output of the motor. It is directly referred to, in the owners handbook, on page 9, as the CE mark or safety label. Honda Canada has confirmed to me that the serial # is BAZL-1007996, model BF50A remote.<br /><br />Alan L. in BC
 

gss036

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I think I would start with the owner of the store where you bought the engine, then the Honda Disrict manager and then contact the consumers affairs divison of a local TV station, this is the exact thing that they like to get involved with and help or put out a lot of bad publicity. I agree, legal fees would prohibit you from court action.<br />No business wants bad press.
 

MajBach

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This is a simple matter to me: Did you ask the seller what year it is? IF yes, small claims court, if not, SOL - it's your job to ask.
 

peterc38

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The one question that no one has asked is, what did the sales/purchase contract state in regards to the model year of the motor. You say you paid a 2001 price for it but did the dealer identify it in writing as a 2001 motor? I think if he did put "2001" in writing and he knew it wasn't then you have a legitimate small claims case. If he knew it was a 95 and didn't identify the year and just "told" you it was a 2001 he is still an un-ethical jerk, but you may not have a case.
 

Skinnywater

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When I bought my BF50 in 2001, I demanded proof that it was a 2001 one model. I demanded that all serial numbers were verified on the boat, motor and trailer.<br />This was all up front before I signed any papers.<br /><br />I was less interested in getting a "great" deal than what I was in a fair and satisfying one.
 

all thumbs

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My paper work shows a 2001. But I can see no identification on motor to prove that. Bought boat and motor off show room floor. I'am very satisfied with performance last 4 years . But I can see a problem if I re- sell and list it as a year that it isn't.
 

rock bottom

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Good luck with Honda....I have found that thier personal egos are so huge that they cant put themselves in the shoes of thier customers...Thier Customer Relations are atrocious.<br />Voyager marine sold me a 2002 in 2004 and never registered it...gotta be careful and Im in a huge battle to replace a siezed motor...if an issue in regards to warranty had come up you would find yourself SOL.
 

vikingham

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Re: "New" OLD Honda - ripoff!

I learned recently that the motor on our 1998 boat (which we bought used in 2000) was actually a 1997...nothing like the situation you're dealing with, of course. It's understandable that it might take 6 or 9 months, or even a year, for an engine to work its way from factory to distributor to dealer to the transom of a boat. But 5-6 years is a different story.<br /><br />It definitely sounds like the dealer was the villain in your case. He knew darn well that the motor was, at best, a "leftover," and should've been up front about it. What did he say when you called the date discrepancy to his attention? <br /><br />On one level, the "if it runs OK, and you got the warranty, what the heck," perspective is correct - the point of all this is to enjoy your boat. But all the hoses, gaskets, etc., that degrade over time are a lot older than you'd been led to believe, there could be a small hit on resale, and you got sold something that wasn't as represented.<br /><br />Since this all happened four years ago, it's a more difficult situation than if it were a recent transaction. If it were me, I'd propose to Honda and the dealer that they offer you 2-3 extra years of warranty coverage for free. That would give you extra peace of mind, and probably not cost them anything out pocket. Sometimes in these situations, offering the other side a relatively easy way out can make the difference between a drawn-out argument and moving on to activities that are more fun.
 
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