need a new TOHATSU

[pine island fred]

Old fashion guy wants a new 50 hp. 2-stroke. Where did they all go? Have found a place in COOKVILLE, tennessee that has them, TOHATSU, but I am in FL. and they wont sell it unless they hang it on the boat. 1K miles away and I dont have a trailer. All I want is to leave the motor in the box and have it available for if and when my 50 MERC quits. Anyone out there know where I can get one in the box in FL. Does not have to be a TOHATSU but all the mfg. sites I go to seem to have quit making 2 strokes and are pushing 4 strokes. Am in the FT. MYERS/CAPE CORAL area. thanks FRED

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

Any Tohatsu dealer can provide you with a 2-stroke, DFI, 50 hp outboard. That gives you over 90 dealers in the state of Florida to contact....None of which will let you have an engine in a box. Tohatsu REQUIRES that a dealer install the engine onto the back of your boat before you are allowed to touch it.

 

[pine island fred]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

YEA, thats my problem. Dont want to hang it, just keep it with my stash of other items that you can no longer buy. Figure I will need it sometime as my MERC is getting long in the tooth and I dont want a 4 stroke. Just found out that YAMAHA still sells a 50 2-stroke.
Stocked up on DDT, chloradane, R-12 FREON when it was still available and has turned out to be a good move. thanks for your response FRED

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

You don't need to worry about buying a 2-stroke, DFI, 50 hp. Both Tohatsu and Evinrude will have them available for the foreseeable future as they are EPA approved. There is no plan to drop them from production....As they are superior to four-strokes(opinion).

 

[Tim Frank]

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Can you not still get a 50HP under the Nissan brand?

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

Yes....There are no plans to phase out the Nissan/Tohatsu 2-stroke TLDI engines.

 

[Jake Windemere]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

The old "dirty technology" 50 horse two-stroke Yamahas are great engines if you can find one. They are very lightweight as well. One strong guy can wrestle the thing around.

In Alaska the Yamaha dealers only stock the four strokes. I suppose that you can order a two stroke from Yamaha dealers, but I am not sure.

I am pretty sure that you can buy a Yamaha without having it installed.

I recently bought a 50 hp Honda four stroke. It's a bit heavier than a two stroke Yamaha but I love this engine. It's pretty light for a four stroke, weighing in at about 200-210 pounds. I installed in myself.

FWIW, Tohatsu and Nissans are sold in Alaska, but with the exception of the Tohatsu/Nissan dealer, nobody recommends them. In fact, almost everyone says to stay away from them. I am not sure why the engines have a bad reputation. I guess that service and parts are rare for that brand in my locale. Yamaha, Honda, and Evinrude seem to be the recommended outboards in Alaska.

 

[pvanv]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

Fred,

I agree with TG Elvin that these units are not likely to be phased out any time soon.

But, should you still want one "for a rainy day", here's a thought... Buy what you like, let the local dealer install it, and then you can run through the break-in. That should proof-out any odd in-warranty problems, should there happen to be any. Then you have a known-good setup. Much better than a unit that's just "still in the box".

Have the dealer provide you with the original boxes and packing materials. Fog/winterize the motor for "mothball" storage, and repack everything. That way, you have the best of both worlds -- a new motor, that has been broken-in on your boat, in the original boxes.

HTH

 

[marquette]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

i heard that you can only but the 50hp yamaha 2 stroke as part of a package. for example Stratos has them on their 15 ft boat. does anybody know if that is really true?

 

[deejaycee_2000]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

they still make the yamaha 50hp 2-stroke and you can still buy it on its own .....

 

[TGuy]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

pine_island_fred...I think you're getting confused about the 2-stroke issue. The "old" technology is carbureted 2-strokes. These are the ones that are going away due to emission issues. The "new" technology is the DFI 2-strokes, which meet all EPA regulations and will be in use for many, many years to come. The Tohatsu 50 TLDI model is the new, DFI technology motor and you don't have to worry about them going away. They meet/exceed all the EPA standards. Other mfgs have their own version of DFI 2-strokes (Evinrude E-Tec, Merc Optimax, Yamaha HPDI). These all meet EPA standards and are NOT being phased out or banned.

Some mfgs, such as Yamaha, still sell a few CARBURETED 2-strokes. These will ALL be finished in 2010. Currently the EPA allows mfgs. to earn "credits" for their "clean" motors which then can use to offset their "debits" for selling "dirty" motors (carb. 2strokes). Yamaha has enough credits to allow them to sell some carb. 2-strokes. But in 2010, all bets are off...EPA will not provide credits for clean motors which means in 2010 NO carb 2-strokes can be sold.

So in your case, unless you can find a Yamaha carb 2-stroke that you want to buy and store in your garage, I wouldn't worry about it. When you're ready to buy, the new technology DFI 2-strokes will still be around and still meet the EPA emissions rules.

 

[deejaycee_2000]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

well that sux ......

 

[TGuy]

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yes but fortunately for you, since you're in S. Africa, these rules don't apply to you. Yamaha, and everyone else, will continue to sell carbureted 2-strokes to countries that don't have any regulations (Asia, S. America, Africa, etc). Which will probably mean that sometime in the future the Columbians will find it more profitable to switch their smuggling business to sneak in carbureted 2-strokes instead of cocaine. LOL

 

[Jake Windemere]

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well that sux ......

Not really. Competition, being what it is, will bring out lighter, better outboards. The economy of scale will bring the newer technologies in line, price-wise.

There was a time when your choice was a poorly made Evinrude or Mercury carburetor-fed two stroke. The engines were unreliable.

The new technology has brought all of the best materials and electronics into the market.

 

[Wee Hooker]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

The Yamaha 50 2 stroke is a VERY coomon motor hung on alumacraft (and other) 16-18' boat packages. Shouldn't be hard to find a dealer or private party who wants to remove that packaged motor to upgrade. ( Put an add in craigs list, I bet you find a new/like new take off in short time). Not sure how the warrenty would work out on a take-off but you won't be using it anyway if you store the motor.
Another option would be to store your old merc now while it's still running and buy/ run the new Tohatsu now to enjoy the increased efficiency and full warrenty.

 

[pine island fred]

Re: need a new TOHATSU

Want to thank all for your input. My problem is weight and a 2 stroke will be better for me than a 4. Just want one to be available in the 50 hp range when I need one. As for buying a a TOHATSU now and hanging it, dont have a trailer although I have 2 boats.
Was considering buying a cheap new truck to help the economy but I dont really need one in the foreciable future but I do know I will eventually need a motor. One boat has a YAMAHA F115 and I never get to use it as the winter tides are not cooperating. Even today I was running over the flats, pucker factor kicked in ( You know the feeling) and considered looking into an air boat with a small kicker for backing and taxing away from the shore. If you have ever been around an air boat, you know that you can make enemies real fast with the prop wash. Few months ago, friend had to call the sheriff and complain about some drunk yahoos driving one up and down the street. ??? YEA, questioned him about it and he says some plastic coating on the hull will allow you to do this. I did not see it myself. regards FRED