n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

RyFitz13

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Hey all,<br /><br />SWMBO (she who must be obeyed) and I recently took our first trek out on the water with friends of ours in their 15' runabout, and now we've got the bug bad! ;) So, after a few weeks of researching, I've got tons of _somewhat_ focused questions.<br /><br />We're in Connecticut, for one, and would do most of our boating out on Long Island Sound. We're looking for something that can give us the benefits of a runabout (able to pull right up on small, secluded beachy spots), yet still be able to get out the sound, probably using it as a floating camper for weekending out to Block Island or off Cape Cod from time to time.<br /><br />So, we're currently focusing our research on mid-sized cuddies to small cruisers - probably something in the 20-25 ft range.<br /><br />And that's where our questions really begin. In order to trailer such a boat, we'd have to acquire a new vehicle. And I'm not sure how much I like the idea of towing anything much over 20'. So, as an alternative, I've been doing some research into renting a slip, probably down on the Sound. I'm really interested in finding out what are the costs I should expect related to docking such a boat.<br /><br />I'm aware that I won't want to winter the boat in the water - I'm currently looking into both winter storage at a marina and possibly winterizing and keeping the boat at the in-law's home (plenty of space, but would be outdoors). Roughly what can I expect to spend to winterize a boat of this size? How much more should it cost to maintian a boat that's docked in saltwater for the season than for one that's trailered?<br /><br />And what other maintenance costs should I plan for? I figure the boat would get used almost every weekend (weather permitting, of course) and probably one day during mid-week most weeks, almost exclusively in salt water. So, I understand hull painting and treating against marine growth is a must. What other wear-and-tear and routine maintenance should I plan for? Any good rules of thumb?<br /><br />One of the marinas I've emailed has mentioned costs of commissioning in the Spring - what is this?<br /><br />And does anybody have any ideas as to what I should expect to pay to insure such a boat?<br /><br />At this rate, I'm thinking that the costs of keeping the boat in the water will help decide if I'm still looking at small cruisers or if I would be better off considering trailering a 20-22ft cuddy instead.<br /><br />Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

Wow, tall order.<br /><br />If you are not used to trailering a heavy boat-DON'T. The dry slip is a great idea.<br /><br />A boat is only as good as the maintenance it receives. Find a good marina and leave it up to them. Expect to pay big $$$$ for the their knowledge.
 

tommays

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

a place that rack stores the boat has the best of both worlds<br /><br />you dont get the extra upkeep from leaveing it in the saltwater full time<br /><br />and you just make a phone call and you boats in the water and safe and sound on the rack when your done<br /><br />i would look into places that rack in your area to find out about size problems which will allow you to look at the correct boats if you decide to go that way<br /><br />tommays
 

CATransplant

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

A couple of things to consider that have nothing whatever to do with storing your boat:<br /><br />Are you really sure you want a boat of that size? Since you admit that you are new to the boating world, you may want to consider a smaller boat for a while. Lots of folks go out and buy a nice, big boat, only to find later that their enthusiasm fades quickly. It's a big investment, and worth considering for some time, in my opinion.<br /><br />It might be a wiser choice to find a smaller runabout for your use for the first year or so. Cheaper, easier to handle, and just about as much fun. You won't be going offshore in it, but you probably shouldn't be doing that your first season in any case. Take your time.<br /><br />Just one guy's opinion. Please feel free to ignore it.
 

mattttt25

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

300/yr maintenance if everything goes well.<br />150/yr for spring commissioning.<br />150/yr for winterization.<br />2500 for a seasonal slip<br />500 for dry storage on blocks<br />0 for storage on a trailer at your house<br /><br />these are very rough numbers, but are close to what i would pay here for my grady.<br /><br />costs can swing a lot depending on where you live, what's included, etc. you can also minimize them by learning and doing some things by yourself.
 

Solittle

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

You might want to consider renting for the first season to confirm your new passion.
 

BUBBLES II

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

I think mattttt's numbers are pretty accurate. I would buy a smaller, used, proven, name-brand boat, for cash, to begin with; a boat you would see lots-of, anywhere. See how much you actually get to use it. In the Northeast, the season can be short. If, after one year, you lose the bug or decide you "need" a bigger boat, you can easily sell the smaller one, sometimes at a profit, because somebody will want one of these. Go slowly before you decide to tie up tens of thousands of dollars in a new boat, which may be hard to get your money out of if you, or SWMBO, feel it's not for you.
 

Sea Six

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

You didn't ask how much it costs to run a boat like that. Are you ready to spend $3 per mile?
 

Harry_Pluta

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Sea Six,<br /><br />How did you come up with that figure? Gas, insurance, maintenance, slip.....<br /><br />Still learning,<br />Harry
 

dingbat

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The $3 a mile figure is pretty much right on the money for me. On a good day I get 1-1/2 miles per gallon and figure in the oil and it's pretty close to that figure. Figuring in the money to drive to marina and such I spend minimun of $75 everytime I put the boat in the water.
 

RyFitz13

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

Hmmmm... Some good feedback so far, thanks everybody. After doing a little more soulsearching the past week or so, and considering some of this advice (not to mention potentially VERY bad advice from a boat show over the weekend), it looks like we may just be considering exactly what BUBBLES II suggested - possibly picking up a smaller runabout instead to learn both the operation and maintenance of a boat and whether or not boating is really for us in the long term.<br /><br />Thanks again folks - and any more general advice you can pass on would be greatly appreciated!
 

Mark42

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

Hold on one minute! If you want to trailer your boat around and launch easily, get in where those nice sandy beaches are and pull up or drop anchor, YOU DON'T WANT A 20 - 25 FT BOAT! <br /><br />Look at 17 to 19 ft cuddy cabins or crusiers. They will work for you on the sound in fair weather. <br /><br />If you want or need the larger boat, think about getting a slip to keep it at. A big boat takes up an even bigger space in you yard on the trailer. Got space?
 

reference123

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

We have both a 19 foot and a 25 foot both (dont ask why, long story) Anytime I can get away with using the 19 foot I do. So much easier to pull, launch, and retrieve than the 25 foot. <br /><br />While the 25 foot is much more comfortable in the water and handles chop significatly better, it takes 4 times longer to get out of the water and cleaned up. It also is much more difficult to navigate, harder to beach, and more difficult to get into a slip or docked.<br /><br />We started with the 19 foot which was a good way to learn. Our smaller boat is not a real deep 5 but with the smart tabs on handles chop pretty well (similar to some 21 foot boats I have been in without tabs). I would recommend a quality smaller boat with a set of tabs and a good v to start. If you are going to beach it on a regular basis install a keel guard. We have also found an extended swim platform is worth its weight in gold.
 

adamk523

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

If you plan on spending time sleeping on the boat, you will want to go with the biggest boat you can afford, and still be able to trailer. Most people I know bought a smaller boat, and within a year sold it to move up to something larger. If you plan on using it for day trips only, a 19-23 would be ideal. If you think you might want to Weekend on the boat, I would look at a 24 cuddy like a Searay Sundancer 240 or similar. Towing a boat is a pain. I would go with the rack storage option. THe boat will take less abuse than it would in a wet slip.
 

RyFitz13

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

Personally, I'm still interested in the idea of a larger cuddy - I checked out a 20' Stingray over the weekend (and I've been drooling over the 22' and 24' models in the catalog) and it seemed like it'd be fine for pulling up to a secluded beach (31" max draft with the drive fully down, 17" with it up - the 24' is surprisingly only 1-2" deeper) and anchoring a bit off shore... <br /><br />But one of the big selling points for SWMBO was that the salesman insisted we'd be able to take just such a boat out to Block Island, or curise farther north and hit Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket. However, I've looked at a few maps since, and I can't imagine that taking a 20-22ft boat out to Block Island or Nantucket would be even close to safe!<br /><br />I'm looking into costs of a slip and dry storage of such a boat - I may have family willing to cover the slip fees in return for usage on Tuesdays (when I'm at work, which is fine by me and also provides a nice mid-week check on the boat!). But the rack storage, so far, seems FAR more expensive around here.<br /><br />But I still come back to the question of just where can I expect to take such a boat. How big would I have to go to reach Block Island, for instance, safely and comfortably? What destinations could I safely and comfortably aim for with a 22' or a 24' Cuddy?
 

Joenic

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Re: n00b questions - boat choices, associated costs, etc...

Where in CT are you located? Just curious as I am in CT also.<br /><br />You can go to the Block on a 20 to 24 footer if you pick a nice calm day. It also can get very foggy in an instant in and around Block Island Sound.<br /><br />Depending on where you live, in order to get out of Long Island Sound, you have to go through the Race, which can be very treacherous at times. Just something else to consider.
 

RyFitz13

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Joenic, we live up in Lichfield County, but would probably be launching out of the Clinton/Groton/New London area. Plans are to move down that way in the next few years anyway.
 
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