My Johnson defies logic!

Stevewatr

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Now that I got your attention, here is my problem. I am working on a 1969 Johnson model 55esl69A. I got it as a derelict, so have no history. After fixing some electrical issues, I got it running, but noticed it was getting too hot. I figured it was due for an impellor anyways so I dropped the gearcase. Only one guide tube was present, and the cover/seal assemblly on the water pump has to places for water tubes to go, but one is completely blocked off. So I rebuilt the pump, and am going to put it together, but here is what is perplexing me. The parts breakdown on more than one website sjows this unit is supposed to have 2 tube guides, and extension tube, 4 grommets, and 2 water tubes. Now on my older 1965 40hp unit I used to own, it was obvious water exited the pump, went up one tube, and returned down the other, and each tube sealed to the pump cover with a grommet. But on this unit, it is clear one grommet is held in by the cover, but the other grommet would be useless because the other hole is blocked off, by design. So then I thought maybe there is only one tube, but I looked under there today and there is a second tube! But if I stick it into the cover, it will just be capped off by the cover. I do not understand why it is made this way, or why it is completely differant than the parts diagram. Here are pictures of the cover so you can hopefuly see what I mean. Can anyone shed light on this for me? Is this some revised set up that only uses one tube, if so why leave the other in there, and how does the water flow through the head for cooling?
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Stevewatr

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Re: My Johnson defies logic!

So no replies yet, but I did find out more info. The part in the pics above is identical to the one I found on a slightly newer, about 1972 60 hp motor. The 72 apparently only had one water tube, which explains why one hole is blocked off, and explains why only one guide tube is needed, but the problem is my motor has 2 tubes! So did sombody put the wrong cover on? or is this a newer lower unit sombody tried to use, and did not realize the differance regarding the plumbing? What the heck should I do now??
 

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I beleave I would reassemble the lower unit with the proper parts, you might look in the "Top Secret File" and give some of the salvage yards a call to try and find used parts.
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I beleave I would reassemble the lower unit with the proper parts, you might look in the "Top Secret File" and give some of the salvage yards a call to try and find used parts.
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Thanks for the post. Do you think there is any chance it actually is supposed to go together the way it was when I disassembled it, with that one tube just dead ending in the blind hole??

Steve.
 

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Re: My Johnson defies logic!

Just a thought, I've seen some holes so clogged with solidified, greasy salt deposits that they appear to not go anywhere. Poke in the hole with a sharp tool to verify that it really is metal that is in the way. You may find that you can clear the hole out.
 

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Just a thought, I've seen some holes so clogged with solidified, greasy salt deposits that they appear to not go anywhere. Poke in the hole with a sharp tool to verify that it really is metal that is in the way. You may find that you can clear the hole out.

I tried that, in hopes maybe there was a small opening I missed, but then I rempved the cover and realized by looking at the back side, it is solid metal by design, and if it was intended to have a tube in that port, the hole would need to be full size to allow the tube to reach down into the grommet. I think sombody put the wrong cover on, and tried to put it together this way. I now noticed the end of one tube looks a little damaged. It was a good thought though, Thanks.
 

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Re: My Johnson defies logic!

Your motor is supposed to have a recirculating cooling system, similar to your old 40. Yes, it is supposed to have a return tube and a pump to match. Obviously somebody installed a newer, single tube pump in your motor. Solution is simple: Get the correct parts.
 

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Your motor is supposed to have a recirculating cooling system, similar to your old 40. Yes, it is supposed to have a return tube and a pump to match. Obviously somebody installed a newer, single tube pump in your motor. Solution is simple: Get the correct parts.

Thanks, thats what I thought. Since the cover plate is $54, and since the other pump components seem the same, I think I'll open the closed hole and use this cover. Looks like Johnson did a simple production change when they changed to a 1 tube design, and just kept the same casting for the cover, but blocked off the port. Probably saved on production cost that way. Can you tell me the purpose of the "extension tube" I see in the parts diagran of the 55esl69a and others? It is seperate from the guide tubes, and is plastic. The copper tube seems long enough already. Is it just to aid in re-assembly? Or is it a repair part for damaged tubes??
 

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Re: My Johnson defies logic!

Can you tell me the purpose of the "extension tube"
They are to guide water tubes into place when reinstalling unit...
 

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They are to guide water tubes into place when reinstalling unit...

The parts break down or exploded view as I call it shows 1 guide tube for each water tube, and I know htese are to help during reassemblly, but then there is another tube called the extension tube, and it is a longer peice of plastic. That is the one I am not sure about it's purpose, and since it is an over $20 piece of plastic, I'd rather not order it if it is not needed. Is it also for guiding the tube during reassembly? Sorry to appear dense, but I really do understand more than it seems.
 

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Re: My Johnson defies logic!

there is another tube called the extension tube,
That one dump the recirculated water back into water pickup inlet area and yes you need it.
 

Stevewatr

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That one dump the recirculated water back into water pickup inlet area and yes you need it.

So I assume that one of the copper tubes is too short to reach into the port in the water pump housing, and this extension tube is what you need to make it reach? So I could drill a large hole in the center of the closed port, get an extension tube, and 2 guide tubes, and should be good to go?

Steve.
 

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Well, I received the "extension tube", part number 315152. I thought it would go on the end of one of the copper tubes, but the ID is too small for that. This plastic tube also has a flat side to it, and a flange at what I assume is the top. It appears this thing is supposed to go in the gear case under grommet, and through the thin plate the impellor is on top of. Problem is, my plate does not have a hole in that area! I looked at a photo of the plate my model should have, and guess what, a hole the exact shape of the extension tube. Looks like some one really messed up here. My theory is they bought a pump kit, and ordered the wrong one, then decided to just throw out the original extension tube, and put it together with the wrong parts. No wonder this thing was overheating. Luckily for me, there are several NOS plates available on the cheap.

The tube I'm talking about is ref#79 in the diagram here:

Johnson Gearcase Group Parts for 1969 55hp 55ESL69A Outboard Motor
 
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Stevewatr

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Well I received the new wear plate, and installed it, the new extension tube, and my modified cover. I now believe everything is together the way it should be. I was scratching my head wondering how this could have been assembled so messed up, and then it occured to me. I bet some one ordered a water pump repair kit for the wrong model! That would explain why they replaced the wear plate, and pump top cover with the wrong parts. The kit would have come with those parts, and a new pump housing, and impellor. Then they must have discarded the original extension tube, and just assumed the differances they were seeing were design changes. But I bet this motor never ran as cool as it should have. Soon I will install the lower end, and give it a test run on muffs to see if it stays cool.
 

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Can you run it in a trash can instead, sometimes running on a hose can mask a pump problem. The water pressure can over power the impeller and you might still have a problem when you put the boat in the water.
 

Stevewatr

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Re: My Johnson defies logic!

Can you run it in a trash can instead, sometimes running on a hose can mask a pump problem. The water pressure can over power the impeller and you might still have a problem when you put the boat in the water.

Okay, I'll see if I can rig somthing up. Thanks for the heads up.

Regards,
Steve.
 
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