My annual epirb thread!

Expidia

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At least each season I wait to make a decision to buy one they keep getting cheaper. Several seasons ago when I looked at them they were like$600. One negative I see with many models is you have to send unit in for an expensive battery replacement, but they say 5-6 years before the battery needs replacement.

I don't see any reviews on this one though. I figure I can also let my daughter use it too as she goes hiking in the willderness during the year and also goes canoeing in desolate areas.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GPVEQIK/...I1FE3449QF0F05

This one seems the same but even cheaper!

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005E1OU1A/...=INR619R3ML2MU
 
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K-2

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It's all you need , makes a lot of sense.
Who do you register it with?
 

jhebert

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial]The policy of identification of emergency position-indicating radio beacon (EPIRB) devices is contrary to that of MMSI and boats. The FCC requires the registration of the EPIRB without involving the boat MMSI identity. The EPIRB device comes with its own embedded identity created by the manufacturer. It is the EPIRB device itself that has an identity.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial]The owner of the device then registers himself as having possession of that EPIRB device. When the EPIRB device is activated, it identifies itself--the EPIRB device itself--and then the owner is identified by association with the device by looking up the data in a table. The identification is a 15-character hexadecimal number. This allows for a total number of identities to be perhaps as high as 1,152,921,504,606,846,975--an enormously large number, many time larger than the number of people on the planet.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]There is also a very significant difference between registering a 406-MHz EPIRB and registering for a MMSI: there is NO CHARGE to register an EPIRB with the official government agency data base maintained by NOAA. This is in contrast with the government policy for getting an MMSI from the official government registrar, the FCC. You have to pay $160 to register, and then renew every ten years.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]There is also quite a difference in the system of communication used to relay the distress alert. With EPIRB 406-MHz, your distress alert transmission must be received by a satellite, which will then relay the message by some means, typically satellite to satellite, then satellite to earth station, then earth station to computer network. Then the system operators have to maintain a database with potentially many, many billions of identities, search that database, and find the owner of the beacon.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]With a DSC distress alert sent on VHF radio, the signal goes from your boat all boats and shore stations in range. It has to be much cheaper to maintain a system of shore stations than to maintain a system or orbiting satellites, earth stations, and data networks. Yet EPIRB registration is at no cost, while MMSI registration is $160.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]Both systems, EPIRB and DSC radios, are part of the Global Maritime Distress Safety System (GMDSS). The GMDSS is "an internationally agreed-upon set of safety procedures, types of equipment, and communication protocols used to increase safety and make it easier to rescue distressed ships, boats and aircraft."[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]Why do I have to pay $160 to get an MMSI? Why do I have to change the MMSI if I get a new boat? Why to I have to pay a $60 (or higher) fee to make any modification to the MMSI data (such as changing address)? [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]In contrast, an EPIRB is registered for free. You can update the data for free. There is no charge for renewal of the registration. You can carry the EPIRB with you anywhere, land or sea. The EPIRB user never pays for any of these administrative costs; he just pays once, when he buys the EPIRB.

Originally from
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http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/003679.html
 
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UncleWillie

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You can obtain an MMSI number for Free with BoatUS MMSI Registrations as long as the boat is ...

1. Used for recreation only
2. Not required by law to carry a radio
3. Do not make international voyages or communications.

The $160 for 10 year fee, is for the FCC License, not for the MMSI registration.
The license just happens to include the registration.

If you are not a commercial vessel and do not travel to foreign ports (Canada, Mexico, Etc.) you can get an MMSI number for free.
If you are required to have an FCC license, $160 every 10 years is likely one of your smallest expenses.

My boat registration just came today. It is $48 for 3 years, the same $16 a year as an FCC license.
Both are less than the cost of the Radio and Antenna. Or, two tanks of gas every 10 years. :joyous:
 

Expidia

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Thx for those replies. Going to finally get one. Might as well get the one in the link as they all seem to be pretty much the same and this one is within my price range.
When I sent the link to my daughter the first thing she said back was "I could use yours for hiking when I'm in the mountains too".
Looks like I'm buying two of them now :( I don't want have a medical emergency on my boat and find she didn't return it :eek:
 
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jhebert

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You can obtain an MMSI number for [f]ree with [a private registrar in the USA] as long as [certain limitations are met]...

Yes, I know that. But MMSI registrations with private registrars are of little use when you are not in the USA. That is because the official registrar in the USA, the FCC, is not coordinating those registrations with other nations. I don't think they even share them with Canada, for heaven's sake.

The equivalent MMSI to the EPRIB registration, that is, a global database registration, is only available from the FCC at a significant cost, while the EPIRB registration for global use is free. This makes no sense at all. If the government of the USA really wanted to promote vessel safety, they should not place a burden on the user with their registration fee for an MMSI, at least no more of a burden than for the EPIRB.

By the way, the fees for getting a MMSI have now increased to about $215 for a ten year registration. And, again, if you make any changes you have pay for modifications. This is really a crazy policy for implementing something that is supposed to be part of a global maritime distress and safety system (GMDSS). I don't understand why an EPIRB gets free registration and an MMSI has to pay over $200 for the same thing.That is not a consistent policy.

This policy is probably an outgrowth of the point of view of Washington, D.C.: they think a foreign port is something thousands of miles away and will only be visited by large yachts or commercial ships. Where I am located, in Southeast Michigan, a foreign port is only a few hundred meters away--Canada. I am operating my boat in the water of a foreign country more often than I am in USA water. Recreational boaters in any region of the USA that borders with Canada may be operating in foreign water, visiting foreign ports, or contacting foreign shore stations. When I am in Canada and I need to send a DSC Distress Alert, I want the Canadians to be able to recognize my identity from my MMSI. Just like someone with an EPIRB would expect. To get on an even footing with the EPIRB, I have to pay hundreds of dollars in fees, while the EPIRB paid nothing.
 

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..,I figure I can also let my daughter use [my EPRIB] too as she goes hiking in the willderness during the year and also goes canoeing in desolate areas...

"An EPIRB is registered to a vessel..." according to EPIRB.COM. I don't think the concept of an EPIRB is for the device to be passed around among many vessels or among relatives of the registered user, or to be used on land.

Moving an EPIRB from boat to boat would be the equivalent of moving a VHF Marine Band radio with an MMSI among boats.

Your daughter probably ought to use a personal locator beacon or PLB when she is hiking in remote areas.
 
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Expidia

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"An EPIRB is registered to a vessel..." according to EPIRB.COM. I don't think the concept of an EPIRB is for the device to be passed around among many vessels or among relatives of the registered user, or to be used on land.

Moving an EPIRB from boat to boat would be the equivalent of moving a VHF Marine Band radio with an MMSI among boats.

Your daughter probably ought to use a personal locator beacon or PLB when she is hiking in remote areas.

Looks like they advertise this one as backcountry hiking etc:

From my above link: the ResQLink Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) is a full-powered, GPS-enabled rescue beacon designed for anglers, pilots and back country sportsmen.

I'm sure if she had mine, in my name and she fell off the trail into a ravine and broke a leg the rescuers would probably not step over her and keep walking when it was not in her name. I might be able to update the reg too when she uses it as at least they would know who they are looking for.
 

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An EPIRB is the big brother version of a PLB.
If you do not perceive a need to own one but anticipate the need for one temporarily...
Both can be rented from BoatUS.com for a nominal fee.
Moving to a different vessel can be done.

All current models have GPS's, so they will know where you are within a few yards.
A borrowed EPIRB in another Vessel may be frowned upon, but if you are 350 miles offshore, and the only boat within 50 miles, they are not going to fly past your sinking Blue boat with all the people waving frantically from the life raft because they were told to look for a Red boat.
 

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Oops, ordered 3 of these (got another for a gift for a friend) and the link above I found after delivery they are the wrong ones. For a $1 more and from another vendor on the right of amazon's ordering screen they were like $255 each with no tax (saved $70) This model with the + is waterproof and floats, so I ordered 3 more and sending these back.

With Amazon if you have the two day Prime free shipping... Amazon tells its suppliers thats it's OK to jack up their price to make up for the shipping. Always compare the other vendors on the right of the screen that also show free shipping. I ordered the 3 locators at 4pm yesterday and they arrived by 10 AM to my office this AM. Shipped from NJ and I'm in upstate NY. Be aware that using Amazon's Prime 2 day delivery is not always your best or cheapest option.

This is the floating model which is nice if one is around boats and "water" :D

http://www.amazon.com/ACR-PLB-375-Re...75+ResQLink%2B
 
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An MMSI number is not required for the DSC function of your radio to work. You can use the DSC function to call an specific radio if you know the receiving MMSI number. DSC also allows the broadcast of digital information (like GPS coordinates) embedded in the radio signal.

If you send a distress signal and you have a MMSI number, rescuers like the CG will be able to know who you are. Without the MMSI number, they will still receive your location and can come to your aid.

Most people (something like 80-90%) never register their DSC radios. Usually once you program a MMSI number into a radio, it can only be changed if you send the radio in for servicing.
 

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An MMSI number is not required for the DSC function of your radio to work.


This is misleading advice and is in direct conflict with the current recommendations for DSC radios. The behavior described may be true of older radios or radios not compliant with the DSC recommendations. Here is an excerpt from the present recommendations for DSC radios:

---begin excerpt----
12.4 MMSI
DSC equipment should not transmit any DSC call until own ship’s MMSI allocated to the ship by the relevant administration has been configured and stored in the DSC equipment. Once stored, it should not be possible for the user to change the MMSI without advice from the manufacturer.

The DSC equipment should display own ship’s MMSI on start-up unless the MMSI has not been configured. If the MMSI has not been configured, the equipment will display a warning that the unit will not transmit any DSC calls until own ship’s MMSI is entered. The equipment should stay in this state until the operator confirms he has read the display and input own ship’s MMSI.
---end excerpt---

Source: http://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/...0-I!!PDF-E.pdf

In the United States of America, the FCC prohibits the manufacture, importation, sale, or installation VHF Marine Band fixed mount radios that do not comply with the above requirements

Source:
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...7cfr80.225.htm


Most people (something like 80-90%) never register their DSC radios.

I don't know the source of your statistical data. Perhaps you just invented it. I prefer to rely on real data. The Coast Guard of the USA reported some statistics in a letter sent in February 2011 based on the DSC distress alert calls they had received. At that time they said, "approximately six out of ten [DSC radio owners had] not registered their Maritime Mobile Service Identity (MMSI)."

Source: http://www.nmea.org/Assets/20110223_2000_nmea_ltr.pdf

That is 60-percent, not 80- to 90-percent. And that was from data from about five years ago. However, with any newly purchased DSC radio in the USA, it should not be possible to use the digital selective calling features of the radio until an MMSI is entered. One of the reasons for the prohibition of permitting the continued sale of non-compliant radios was to reduce the number of DSC distress alert calls from DSC radios without an MMSI.

There is no advantage to owning a modern DSC radio if you do not register for an MMSI. Further, the Coast Guard of the USA has issued a MARINE SAFETY ALERT on this topic. See

MARINER’S SAFETY ENDANGERED
WHEN VHF RADIO DISTRESS ALERTS
BY DIGITAL SELECTIVE CALLING (DSC)
LACK LOCATION AND IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/marco.../04_11_dsc.pdf
 
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