MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

Bustedknuckle84

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Last summer mph gauge worked, took the boat out this year and it stopped working. I haven't inspected it yet but what could cause mph gauge not to work? Boat is a 98 Bayliner trophy w/ 98 120hp force motor.
 

dwco5051

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

Check the pickup sensor usually on the stern. Did you maybe hit some floating crud and flip it up? Is the hole in it clogged? Check the tube from the it to the gage. Is it connected the whole way through with no connections off? Try blowing gently through the sensor while someone watches the speedometer to see if it moves.
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

Sometime the tip of the pitot tube(if you have that) breaks off.Sometimes it gets clogged.Sometimes the hose gets pinched in the harness.You drop the lower unit to winterize?The hose get unhooked.J
 

steveclv

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

I guess someone should explain how it works - by the way, the MPH gauge is called a Speedometer :)

There is a thin rubber tube that runs from the back of the gauge to the transom where it connects with a plastic device that trails in the water. It's spring loaded in the down position (about 45 degrees back) and if you hit something it pops up and needs resetting - just push it down into the water.
As you drive, water is forced up the tube and this compresses the air in the tube which is registered by the gauge.

The tube can come off at the back, get pinched or if it comes off the back of the gauge then you will get wet feet very quickly :)

It's purely a mechanical system in most boats - modern boats have the speedometer labelled GPS and they use GPS signals to calculate the speed and are fully electronic.
 

Bustedknuckle84

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

i did a recent impeller change, and there is a tube that runs down the midsection to the the 90 degree elbow to the lower unit, i extended the tubing but didn't think it would ruin the speedometer.
 

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

furyman;

Barring any of the usual kinks, separated tubing etc, have you located the speedometer input (tiny hole) on the front end of the LU to make sure that it is clear. Extending the tubing as you have done shouldn't affect the speedo.

Gerry
 

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

Boat speedometers can have their pitot tube connected to a plastic piece that mounts to the transom or through a pipe that runs through the lower leg of the motor. Sounds as though you have the latter and if that is something that you have modified then that's the first place to start looking. If you have an air leak or the pitot tube (the small hole that Gerry refers to) is blocked then that will stop the speedo from working.

Look under your boat's dashboard and find the tube running from the center of the back of the speedometer. The tube probably will be black plastic and thicker than most boat wiring. Trace the speedometer tube to the back of the boat, where it will connect either to a pitot tube under the transom or to the lower unit of the outboard motor. Inspect the length of the tube for holes, cuts, kinks or wire ties that visibly pinch the tube. If the tube is cut or has a hole, replace the tube. If a wire tie is pinching the tube, remove and replace the wire tie, making sure not to pinch the tube.

Disconnect the speedometer tube from the pitot tube or lower unit, either by releasing the quick-connect joint to the motor or by using the screwdriver to unscrew the connector at the pitot tube. Inspect the pitot tube for breaks or holes; if any are present, replace the pitot tube.

If your speedometer tube connects to the lower unit of your outboard motor, open the case of your motor's lower unit and visually inspect the tube for cuts, breaks, holes or kinks. If any are present, replace the speedometer tube.

Tell your assistant to watch the speedometer and let you know if the needle moves, then blow into the tube for 10 seconds. It takes very little breath to make the needle move as high as 5 mph.

If the needle does not move when you blow through the tube, disconnect the tube from the back of the speedometer (it should simply pull off) and use a compressor--at a very low pressure, under 10 psi--to blow any debris out of the tube. When the compressed air blows freely through the tube, reconnect the tube to the back of the speedometer and blow through the tube again while your assistant watches the speedometer. If the speedometer still refuses to move, replace the speedometer unit on the dash. This unit is not repairable by the consumer.
I find that a can of compressed air for cleaning computers works really well for this as you can insert the tube into the speedo pipe and get a good force of air.

If the speedometer tube in your lower unit is damaged, the damage probably resulted from the tube rubbing against the gear case. When you replace the tube, be sure that it is not pushed against the side of the gear case.
 

Bustedknuckle84

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

Thankyou all for the info very helpful,
@Gerry do you have a pic of where the hole is located on the front of the lu? BTW the repair i did on the midsection worked great last sunday, everything shifted great, ended going 10 miles out in the gulf and caught acouple snapper. I can't thankyou enough for helping me getting my boat running again! :D

@ Steve- there is a small black tubing that runs down to a 90degree elbow on the back side of the lower unit. I extended it because the tubing was short and cracked when i removed it to do a repair on the mid section.
 

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

If it was cracked there and then it may be cracked elsewhere so at least blow into the tube where it joins the LU and see if the gauge needle moves - that will isolate which section is at fault - forward to and including the gauge, or back to the LU, new pipe and pitot hole
 

Bustedknuckle84

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

thanks Steve! will do man and report back if i have additional questions..
 

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

Mine worked well for about the first 6 years, after then, it worked sometimes or when it felt like it. Generally my GPS has been more reliable for telling speed over the water. As far as the speedometer with the tube and the elbow, the 1st time I fixed it there was some debris stuck in the intake, the next time it lost the prime somehow. On occasion it will work when I'm on a plane but not when operating a lower rpm, been hit and miss. Good luck.
 

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Re: MPH Gauge doesn't what should i problems should i look into...

furyman;

Happy to see that everything worked out and you are back on the water. We still have a foot of ice on the lake here but hopefully not for much longer.

As far as the speedo pickup hole, it is one of the holes in the grated intake but I can't remember which one. However blowing it backwards may help to clean it out. If it were mine, I would be plugging it and transferring the tube to a kick up plastic type that attaches to the bottom of the transom.


Gerry
 
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