Motor Height-Stepped Hull-Cavitation

dogscoop

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The general rule of thumb that the capitation plate should be just under the transom doesn't seem to apply to my boat. I have a 17.5 ft Castello Marine, made in Finland. This is it here: www.sekkepipenorge.com/boat.jpg The hull is stepped at the motor end like this www.sekkepipenorge.com/transom.jpg . As you can see the cavitation plate is not in line with the bottom of the transom but is actually 1.5 inches up. When I bought the boat the motor was even higher. I have dropped it one hole since then. The higher position is pretty much standard on this model when delivered new. This is a fairly fast boat for it's class and will easily do 30 knots. I have noticed some venting on turns or in choppy water. This might just be standard for this boat/motor combo... I dunno..

My question is.. Should the cavitation plate be just under the water or just over? I have taken 2 pics of the motor at about 3/4 throttle. Here www.sekkepipenorge.com/plate1.jpg and here www.sekkepipenorge.com/plate2.jpg and this one looking out from the stern. www.sekkepipenorge.com/wake.jpg There is some water spay on both sides.

Any thoughts and or opinions would be appreciated.

Bill Carr
 

crb478

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Re: Motor Height-Stepped Hull-Cavitation

I can not answer your question, but I also have a step on the back of my boat. 1990 Sea-Pro 180 CC. My motor is currently mounted about 1 inch above the keel level. I am not sure what the purpopse of the step is, but I have noticed that my boat does not respond to backing up as well as other boats I have owned. I have questioned if this was because of the step pushing down into the water in reverse. Hopefully someone more knowledgable can answer your question.
 

david_r

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Re: Motor Height-Stepped Hull-Cavitation

ok guys ive searched and searched and this is the closest thread that ive found about my question.............unfortunately there was never an answer.




ok here goes i have a step down hull-----my buddy just bought a boat with a step down hull------------my motor is mounted up even a little above the bottom of the transom........3-4 inches above the step down.


his motor is mounted with the anti-ventilation plate just 1" above the step down.


does his need to come up or does mine need to go down?

his still doesnt have a prop (ive mentioned in another thread about calculating)

mine still picks up water at plane but there is still a good amount of spray from the back.


is this just a trial and error process? or is there a rule of thumb for the step down hulls? can i go shallower..........you know just get water to the motor but run as high as i can?...........or is my motor already too high and this is what causes me to lose traction in a tight corner?

sorry for the book, and thanks for your help.
 

steelespike

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Re: Motor Height-Stepped Hull-Cavitation

I don't think its any mystery motor needs to be as high as possible and still pump water and not vent.The right prop will help resist venting.
A SS prop or something like a Hustler turning point.I wouldn't even look at height demensions except to establish a starting point.I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 identical boats,motors and props to have a slightly different setup and results.I would raise the motor to a point where venting becomes a problem then work with props and trim to try to get even more height.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Motor Height-Stepped Hull-Cavitation

OK! Let's use a little reasoning and logic here.

Pretty boat by the way----

Carefull! Thinking required here!

When a deep vee planing hull is on plane it does not ride on the surface of the water like a flat bottom hull but cuts a groove the shape of the hull in the water. As you apply more power to the hull, it rises higher and the groove becomes smaller. Less hull is in contact with the water and thus resistance is less and speed is higher. This is where a deep vee is different than a displacement hull which never rises higher no matter how much power you put into it. (Too much power for the deep vee hull design and it rises too high for stability and "Chine Walks," falling off from side to side. Good for racing, not good for pleasure boating.)

As the deep vee moves through the water, some of the displaced water "springs" back or rises as it leaves the transom. This is partially because of the angle of the hull to the water surface. It is also due partially to fluid mechanics but I don't want to get too deep. For all practical purposes the water "rises." This is why on a standard transom, the "cavitation" plate can be set about one inch higher than the hull bottom.

The "cavitation" plate is really an ANTI-VENTILATION plate. Its PRIMARY function is to prevent the top of the prop from "sucking" air and ventilating which will lead to cavitation. It mechanically "seals" the surface of the water so air can not enter the prop cone. In terms of mechanical efficiency, the best place for the plate in a normal, non surface-running prop, would be right on the surface of the water. Thus: the approximate one inch height which will vary with hull design and weight etc. (My cuddy has a flat riding plate about one foot wide at the transom, tapering into the keel about six feet up the hull.--one inch engine lift is too high on this hull--ventilates wicked bad even with a cupped prop.)

A step or notch designed in the hull like yours tries to accomplish two things: It tries to reduce the surface of the hull in contact with the water AND it tries to act as a set- back or jack plate for more leverage and higher bow lift. This is also an attempt to get more of the hull out of the water, and air entrained under it, for higher speed with a given horsepower.

With the engine set so far back from the effective transom--the point where the water leaves the hull bottom, the surface of the water is higher, so the engine must be run higher to position the plate ON the surface of the water. --AGAIN: this height will vary with hull design etc.

SO: the proper height (for maximum performance) for your engine will be that height which positions the plate as close to the surface of the water as possible, but not above it, while at full throttle and trimmed properly. And as little as 1/4 inch difference can have a dramatic impact in performance. Of course, with the plate set this high, when its angle is varied by turning the engine, the prop will ventilate some. If this ventilation in turns is objectionable, then you must lower the engine OR trim in. It's always a trade-off. Note that because of the angle of the hull to the water, and the angle of the rising water, trim will usually be best trimmed out some from parallel to the hull bottom. Again, this varies with hull design. Get the picture? Nothing is set in stone; everything is variable. That's what makes it so much fun and why everyone has a different opinion.
 

david_r

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Re: Motor Height-Stepped Hull-Cavitation

thanks for the info Frank,


i guess im gonna raise mine up one more notch and see how she runs.........hopefully i can find a happy medium and improve performance and fuel mileage.

my fishing buddy thinks its already too fast.........of course its a fixer upper so the windshields are gone for now and it has been in the upper 30s and lower 40s the last few times we have been fishing.........the worst part is when your tears from the wind freeze on your face------yeah it happened the other morning, i dont remember how cold it was but i still have what i swore to the wife i froze off:D:D
 
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