motor dosent idle

67johnson

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I have a 67 v4 johnson super sea horse that dosent idle un less i give it more gas then needed to idle. If i drop the throtel to were it should be to idle it goes to stall. The only way it would idle is if i turned the low speed needles almost all the way closed which is wierd because this motor loves gas. I just rebelt the carb which has fixed high speed jets. I changed the diaprahm in the fuel pump and it seems clean. all new fuel lines it is getting spark the timming checks out ok. Any ideas
 

dragula65000

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Re: motor dosent idle

It may ba an improper adjustment on the low speed jetting, unles you don't have them. SOunds like its just jetting due to a carb rebuild.
 

67johnson

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Re: motor dosent idle

I have a manual and we tryed all adjustments on the low speed needle. But they didnt work it would idle if the needles were almos all the way closed but the engine cant start like that. But what do u mean by jetting due to carb rebuild???
 

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Have you tried starting with them about 1 1/4- 1 1/2 turns out? They do like fuel. You may even find that it likes them two turns out. Keep fiddling with them. If you didn't miss something in low speed jets it should idle. Could also have an air leak. Just thinking out loud.
 

AJ168

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Sounds to me like a vaccum leak somewhere in the fuel system. Check all of the fuel lines and hoses for cracks. If you run off of a remote tank and the fuel line there isn't reasonably new, replace it. They wear out pretty quickly.
 

67johnson

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There is bran new fuel lines in it so i dont think there is a leak and the manual called for the low speed needles to be 1 1/4 turnes out. But i tryed it all the way to 2 turns out cause this engine loves the fuel. But it still dosent want to idle??
 

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If it idles better when the needles are near all the way in then your getting fuel from someplace else. Are you sure the throttle plates are closed and the sync & link are correct?
 

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(Carburetor Adjustments - Older V/4 Downdraft Carb)<br />(J. Reeves)<br /> <br />NOTE: The early model downdraft carburetors incorporated "Adjustable High Speed Jets". The later model downdraft carburetors used "Fixed High Speed Jets". Follow the below instructions accordingly.<br /> <br />NOTE: If you do not have adjustable high speed jets, ignore those paragraphs pertaining to same...... BUT do make sure that you manually inspect and clean the two brass fixed high speed jets which would be located in back of the two 7/16" slotted hex head bolts in the bottom front portion of the float chamber.<br /><br />Lift the center High Speed Control lever and turn it so that the point faces forward, resting on the high ridge. This will disengage the lever control gear from the individual high speed jets (slots). Have the slow speed needle valve knobs installed upside down so that they can be turned without encountering any obstruction.<br /><br />Gently seat each of the High Speed needle valves, then back each one out one (1) turn. Gently seat each of the Slow Speed needle valves, then back each one out one and one half (1-1/2) turns. NOTE... have the jam nut on the s/speed needles snug so that viberation won't have any effect on them, but loose enough so that you can turn them without a great amout of effort.<br /><br />(High Speed)<br />With a reliable person at the wheel, and one kneeling in front of the engine, start the engine (yes, it will run lousy with the above initial needle valve settings), put it into forward gear, and apply full throttle. Start with the High Speed adjustment on the left using a screwdrive that properly fits the slot.<br /><br />(High Speed Adjustments)<br />At full throttle, with the proper size screwdriver, slowly start turning one of the H/S needles in segments of 1/8 turn, waiting momentarily for the engine to respond, then repeat turning. You will reach a point where the engine will start to die out. At that point, back that needle valve out approximately 1/4 turn. Now, go to the other High Speed needle valve and repeat that procedure. At some point in that 1/4 turn out, you will find the smoothest high speed setting (you can now lower the throttle rpm). That will have both high speed needle valves set correctly, and at that point you can lift that center lever adjustment of that high ridge, keeping it lifted until the point is facing the engine, then lower it into its proper position. (When you turn that lever now, you're adjusting both High Speed needle valves at the same time.)<br /><br />(Slow Speed Adjustments)<br />Now, lowering the rpms of course, take the engine out of gear and set the throttle just to where the engine will stay running. Again, in segments of 1/8 turn, slowly start turning in one of the slow speed needle valves, waiting a few seconds between each turning for the engine to respond. As you turn the s/speed needles in, the rpms will increase..... and as it does, lower the rpms to where the engine will just stay running (otherwise the rpms will climb quite high). You will reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mjild backfire). At that point, back the needle valve out 1/4 turn. Repeat the process with the remaining slow speed needle. Again, at some point in that 1/4 turn out, you will find the smoothest setting. When finished, tighten the jam nut somewhat, then remove and reinstall the s/speed knobs correctly (right side up).
 

67johnson

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Re: motor dosent idle

Well OBJ it looks like the throtle plate closes fully and every thing seems to be inline. I cant see that changing because the engine was running fine the day befor. Now it will not go over 5 miles an hour or idle. I think every thing is fine with the fuel. Is it posiable that it could be the coil not giving enough power or the stator because the stator is 38 years old. I just had to change the starter because it was 38 years old and wasnt working right. So any ideas is it electrical or fuel related. <br /> Thanks
 

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O yea how can i tell if it is geting enough spark i see a spark through the plugs but i dont kno if it is powerfull engouh. Also so you know the timing checks out and the points are adjusted to .020 also the sparks are spaced at .030 Those check out ok.
 

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The stator has nothing to do with the ignition on that model. It is simply to charge the battery.<br /><br />With the spark pligs removed, the spark should jump a 1/4" gap (stick a small philips screwdriver in the plug boot spring terminal and hold it 1/4" away from the block) with a strong blue lightning like spark. Does it?<br /><br />The distributor... Magneto or Automotive Ignition? Do the plug wires lead from the top or bottom of the distributor?
 

67johnson

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it is a magneto and the plug wires come from the top of the distributor. My manual says the gap from the block should be 7/16" i dont know if it is right tho?? Tommaro i guss i will try 1/4" and 7/16". Thanks
 

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If the horsepower has been listed somewhere above, I've overlooked it. What is the horsepower of that 1967 V/4 engine?<br /><br />If the distributor is located at the rear of the engine, and the wires lead from the top side portions of the distributor cap, that is automotive ignition, not magneto.<br /><br />The 7/16" gap test only pertains to the Capacitance Discharge Ignition systems. On the V/4 engines, this did not exist until 1973.<br /><br />The magneto and automotive ignition systems that existed in 1967 use a 1/4" gap for the spark test.
 

67johnson

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THanks joe i will test it with 1/4" gap and the motor has 60 hp.<br />modle # vxl-13a
 

67johnson

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Re: motor dosent idle

i havent been able to check spark yet but i took the fly weel off how do i tell if the key is sherded if i can get it off.
 

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There will be a key that hold the flywheel in position. Two grooves. Key fits inside the one and you slide the flywheel over it. If it is sheard it will be in two pieces.... <br /><br />If not it will be one peice. If you see the two grooves... but not a key look around.. there small little suckers and could have fallen anywhere.
 

67johnson

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well the key is in there but i cant get it out but when i get it out if it is not in two i dont need to get another one???
 

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No need to put a new one in it unless its bent side ways..or off set..no longer straight. if it is its about ready to break.<br /><br />If it shows any ware at all, then replace it. I would always keep a couple spares handy.<br /><br />And also..The fly wheel nut should be torqued to 105 lbs.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

67johnson

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I guss the key was fine than tho i need to get a new one because i bent it getting it out. I havent been able to check spark because i need to people but i will check it when i get the fly weel on. Goodoleboy you said torque the fly weel to 105 by clymers manual says to torque it to 80. I dont know what to do now cause i have to put the fly weel on but i dont want to mess up with the torque and shear the key?????
 
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