Mile high city gets Higher

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It is now legal for adults to possess up to 1 oz. of Marijuana in Denver. I am curious to see what happens to the crime rate. And it will be interesting how people will get it. Still not legal to sell it?
 

Tyme2fish

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Legal to possess. Illegal to grow or buy. So how do I get 1 ounce in my pocket legally? :confused:
 

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100% legal or just de-criminalized? Is it now the same as a parking ticket to posses, or is it really legal to have it? (probably not to smoke it or sell it) So it's just to look at?
 

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well all, being that i live in englewood, a suburb of denver, this is what's going down. first, it only involves the city and county of denver, not surrounding areas, i.e.-lakewood, englewood, sheridan, arvada, northglenn, westminster, etc. all suburbs are uniformly subject to their perspective county's laws. those counties being jefferson, arapahoe, adams, and douglas county. the weird thing is that the county of denver IS the city of denver. they are one and the same. boulder county has a law somewhat like this, but it is an indoor policy, basically stating that as long as you are indoors, police can not walk up to your door and bust you for pot, as long as there isn't any being smoked outside, whether it's on your property or not. boulder is where the university of colorado is located. back to denver. it is not illegal to carry under an ounce. it is, however, illegal to buy, sell, or grow, so, the question really is; how do you get it? it is almost the same as the farse back in the '20's i believe was the time. that was what illegalized it in the first place. the law was: you could carry up to one ounce as long as you paid the tax on it, but, to get the tax stamp you had to go to some federal taxing house in washington d.c.(specifically) and purchase the stamp there, but, you also had to have the weed with you to obtain it, however, it was illegal to carry it without the stamp, which you didn't have until entering the taxing building, where, low and behold, there were officers waiting to take you into custody, BEFORE you could purchase said stamp. hasn't changed really. state law trumps county, federal law trumps state(unless the state secedes). no matter how you dice it up, somebody will be deep enough in dire straights to get a prosecution that somebody's going to jail. until the laws change at the state AND federal levels, you can still be hit! think about this though, how often do you see a state trooper or a federal marshall patrol your neighborhood? yup, that's about how often i see them, really never! plus, when's the last time you saw a stoner go on a killing spree, or a raping party? i know when i'm chiefin' it, i'd rather sit in front of my cpu and get on the forums :D
 

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" I am curious to see what happens to the crime rate." <br /><br /> Alumistar, what I ment by that is I think the crime rate would go down not up.
 

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one more cast.......i absolutely agree with you. what i was trying to depict was the reality of the law passed. the problem is that this is a "farse" law, it's been passed before, then revoked, litterally 3 or 4 times in the past. you can still get a ticket in denver for posessing it. it's just decriminalized to a parking ticket style offense. the reason behind that is they know we have to get it somewhere, so, instead of throwing the book at you, they'd rather get their 100 dollar court cost, bust you again, later, get another 100 bucks, then again, and again......etc. if we could legalize it on state and federal levels............CRIME WOULD ABSOLUTELY DROP SIGNIFICANTLY!!!!!!
 

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i tell you what.......there is definately a trend afoot.......people want a choice........voices are slowly being heard........s...l...o...w...l...y!
 

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Who's up for a road trip to Colorado? :D Didn't Alaska do something similar? I read something about up to 4oz being either legal, or just a small ticket. I actually qualify for a medical marijuana card in Commiefornia.<br /><br />I was just thinking earlier today - marijuana should be 100% legal and taxed at $1-200/ounce. If grown in mass quantities it would cost less than tobacco to produce but still end up being around the same prices it is today. 50% of the tax could be dedicated to schools. Look how rich the drug dealers are. Now the state would have all that money and more, since alot more people would be smoking. Plus it would create more local jobs to grow the weed here instead of importing it from Canada and Mexico. And NOBODY would complain about raising taxes! Win win win! :) <br /><br />You guys do know that marijuana was made illegal for INDUSTRIAL reasons and not health or safety reasons, right?<br /><br />Edit: This is an interesting read.<br />Link
 

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I don't know about anyone else here, but I strongly disagree. The last thing this country needs is a bunch of potheads. Legalizing it is just one more step down the hill we're already screaming down at breakneck speed.
 

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br /> I don't know about anyone else here, but I strongly disagree. The last thing this country needs is a bunch of potheads. Legalizing it is just one more step down the hill we're already screaming down at breakneck speed.
Let me tell you a little secret: Most people who smoke pot don't care whether it's legal or not. Being legal will have little effect on the number of users and I'd bet alot of money that in 1 year the numbers in colorado will show this.<br /><br />But, that's why we vote, and the yes votes are winning out on marijuana all over the country. ;) I just wish it would come up to vote more often...
 

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It likely will reduce some of the presures on the court system, jails and probation, freeing them up to deal with more serious drug crimes and other crimes in general as well as save casual, recreational and experimental users from a permanent arrest record
 

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Originally posted by TexomaAv8r:<br /> It likely will reduce some of the presures on the court system, jails and probation, freeing them up to deal with more serious drug crimes and other crimes in general as well as save casual, recreational and experimental users from a permanent arrest record
I wonder what happens to people in Denver who currently have charges pending about having under an ounce? Are they free?
 

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If the system in Co works like Texas the pending cases will be prosecuted uner the law that was in effect at the time of the arrest, or "old law"
 

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Originally posted by ZmOz:<br />Let me tell you a little secret: Most people who smoke pot don't care whether it's legal or not. Being legal will have little effect on the number of users and I'd bet alot of money that in 1 year the numbers in colorado will show this.<br /><br />But, that's why we vote, and the yes votes are winning out on marijuana all over the country. ;) I just wish it would come up to vote more often... [/QB]
The old "if you can't beat em join em aproach?"<br />Like I said, it's one more step down.
 

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Hate to say it guys, but don't we really think the true problem is being overlooked? I think we all know what really should be illegal, along with pot and other drugs. Nothing is more destructive to our society the this one thing: <br /><br />Alcohol.<br /><br />Yet, its legal. We have to drive to get it, All too many people are irresponsible with its useage, and countless scores of people die every year due to it. It is far and away the most destructive drug we use, yet it is legal. <br /><br />Alcohol is the true gateway drug, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. Kids invariably sample dads booze stash long before the pot is tried. Dad even lets little Timmy have a sip of brew, 'cause its cute. Cute like that guy I DUI'ed last week that blew a .35.<br /><br />I am a realist though. Alcohol is a time honored tradition, and it will always be legal, and people will always abuse it and die.<br /><br />And no, I don't agree with the Denver pot thing...
 

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br />The old "if you can't beat em join em aproach?"<br />Like I said, it's one more step down.
Well, if someone is going to be making the money, wouldn't you rather it was schools instead of drug dealers? Not to mention it has a HUGE medical value...it doesn't cure much, but it will cover up just about anything. <br /><br />It's most certainly no worse for anybody than tobacco or alcohol...
 

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o.k. two things. one, tex and zmoz: it is just like texas, the "old law" statute. somebody a few weeks ago was nailed finally for killing someone here about thirty years ago ergo he got the stereo-typical 20 to life from the laws in the 70's. secondly, to kalian: i'm sorry that you aren't as educated on this "pot" law as you should be. look at my previous reply from this thread. i explain in pretty good format, what really happened. i live here so am subjected to the laws of colorado. understand that "greater" denver is 30 miles across from east to west and at least 50 miles from north to south. city and county of denver is only about 5 miles by 8 miles or so. my problem with your comment is simply that you don't know what you're talking about, no offense. do a search on deaths related to pot and then do alternate searches on other drugs.....might i say alcohol! it is not a step down, rather a lateral move sideways. until it's legalized, we'll never know what the outcome. as far as health benefits are concerned, if someone wants to get cancer from weed(for those non-believers, yes you will get cancer eventually from smoking anything that produces carcinogens), i say let them. having worked in the medical field for the last 17 years, i have only seen one case come through our hospital in those years and that was one weed smokin' fool that got in a fight because(apparently) the other guy that came in with him was the driver.....he was drunk!! the stoner had no alc/blood level at all. and he went home!! the other got some time in jail. so, the question to you is this: after you do a search on what the stats are, what drug should really be illegalized? because i don't know about you, but, i'm tired of hearing about drunks taking out whole families in minivans! :mad:
 
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