Mercury 115hp won't start?

John115

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I just bought a 1983 16ft Dyna Trac Bass Boat with a 2 stroke 6 cylinder 115 hp Mercury motor. I gave $2,500. I have took the boat out twice, ran good but smoked pretty bad on start up and then a little as i ran it.(white smoke) Now the third i took the boat to the lake it wont start, all it will do is turn over. I've searched these forums for possible problems but i don't have any nowledge of boats, this is my first boat. Can anyone tell me what i should do next in a lauguage i can understand. lol. This is what i know, the boat had 1/2 tank of gas in it when i bought it. I finished filling it up! added the proper amount of oil to the gas! took it out twice as mentioned earlier, third time wont start. I changed the spark plugs. Still no cranky!! What to do know?
 

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Fuzzytbay

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Re: Mercury 115hp won't start?

Your motors a mid seventies era vintage, "blue band". It would help if you could post the serial number, so the "experts" here can determine which year. There are, (if I am not in error) a few different electronic for those years. As for your problem, mixing up old gas with new, is a no no in my books. It possible you have "gummed" up the carbs, and that alone could be the problem. Then again there are other possibities, since these motors are not in my area of expertise, I'll leave it up to another to carry on.
 

asm_

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Re: Mercury 115hp won't start?

Basic IC engine diagnostic...

First check spark by holding one of the spark plug's business end 1/4" away form engine's ground. If one has spark, check the rest. Be sure to ground the spark plugs that aren't been tested, or you may burn the ignition coil. Oh, yeah, disconnect fuel line before conducting the test.

Next check to confirm fuel is reaching the carb.

Last, check compression.

There is not a whole lot to it. :cool:
 

John115

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Re: Mercury 115hp won't start?

Thanks for the replys. First the serial # on the motor is 6300804. I'm getting ready to start trouble shooting, i want to start with draining the fuel tank. Like i said before it is full of gas. Does anyone have any idea what i can do with the gas once i get it drained? (How would i despose of it)
 

Jacket4life

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Re: Mercury 115hp won't start?

I run any gas that is older than 30 days old in my lawnmower and weedeater. The reason I don't keep it past thirty days is because it is almost impossible for me to buy non-ethanol gas in my area. When dealing with ethanol, the gas and alcohol will slowly separate, and the alcohol won't transport fuel oil. Therefore, the engine is running on straight alcohol at times with no lubricant. Not good. #1 source of failure in 2 strokes is no or not enough lubericant. This can also be cause by an excessively lean condition, so carb maintenance on OB motors is also vital. #2 cause of failure is overheating. Since you recently purchased the boat, I would STRONGLY recommend you replace the impeller at a minimum. This also, by process, forces you to drain and replace the lower unit lubricant, which most ppl here agree should be done annually. The isue of the motor smoking while operating could be heat related. Typically, if the correct fuel/oil mixture is being run (which, BTW, is 50:1 for your motor) and there is not a firing problem, these motors smoke very little at optimal running temperatures.

You are on the right track with draining and starting over with fuel. If you can get it, buy straight gas, not ethanol. In TX, stations are required to advertise if they dispense ethanol, not sure if that is federal, or state.

HOWEVER, with a sudden stop issue like yours, on this vintage motor, I would suspect a firing issue of some sort. Previous poster is correct on the procedure. The only thing I would do differently is check compression on all cylinders first. Compression tester is cheap, and if you find a problem, you need to stop and resolve it, or you will quickly acheive total motor failure, which is obviously not good.

My best advice (and you will hear it on here often!) Get the MERCURY service manual for your engine. You can take your serial #, click on the sticky on the front page of the Merc forum at the top that says "What year is my outboard?" and find the year model of your motor. Then search the forum for service manuals, and you will find the Merc part # for your manual. Then, go to Ebay and see if you can't find it, I found mine for $20. If you don't have the patience for that, you can buy it at Amazon (probably $40-60), and if you have even less patience, any Merc service dealer can order it for you, but it will be $80-100. You can do the compression test while you wait on your manual. Compression should be within 10% on all cylinders, you are hoping for a # around 130 psi, but with this age motor, 115 or so is more realistic. 100 or less is low. 80 or less and you have a serious problem. Any deviation of more than 10% is is also a serious problem (it indicates an ongoing carb issue that is damaging one or two cylinders). You can also check for "fire" while you wait. I won't be surprised (and as you do research, neither will you) if you have lost fire to 2 or more cylinders. This indicates a trigger/stator problem, and you will need the manual if you intend to fix it yourself. Another thing to look at while you wait is the condition of the wiring in the motor. This vintage engines were notorious for poor insulation. If you see crumbling, powdered looking, or broken wiring, you can start by fixing it, that may fix your problem.

Welcome to iboats and best of luck to you!
 

John115

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Re: Mercury 115hp won't start?

Thanks for the reply Jacket4Life, i've just about decided i'd be better off hauling this thing down to the Marina and let someone else figure this out that knows what there doing. LOL. But i was out there tinkerin with it and was checking out the wiring like you had suggested. I was amazed at what i saw, there was one wire, a red wire, the insulation was crumbled on it and when i touch it, it broke!! my guess is it was already broke but i'd like to get your opinion on it before i hauled it down to the shop. I've posted 3 pics of the wireing on my original post to give you a shot of what i'm looking at. Theres a box mounted on the front of the motor,( i posted a pic of it) there are three wires that come out of this box, a white wire, a black wire and the red wire in question. I've posted a pic to show were these wires connect to the motor and also a pic of the wire it self.
This is what i've done so far. I spliced the plastic insulation that sorrounds the three wires all the way to the box. The red wire pretty much crumble over half of it's length. What was'nt crumbled was a dark bround like it was burnt and hard and when i bent it, it crumbled. I toke some wire i had from a power cord to a CB Radio and spliced it to the wire coming out of the box. Tried to crank it but no fire! and no fire at the spark plugs.I was wondering about the type of the original wire, it seemed to be a different type of wire than the CB power cord and wonder if i would make a difference? I don't mean to sound like a dummy but this is my first boat so i really don't know anything about them and any opinion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help. John
 

asm_

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Re: Mercury 115hp won't start?

I haven't got a glue what a CB radio wire suppose to be. In any case, wire is wire, as long is thick enough gauge, it should work. When in doubt, use a multi-meter to test continuity. There are company out there that sells marine wire that is corrosion resistant. I personally would not pay the extra of 'special' marine wire for a 30 years motor. In this case, I would guess 14awg would be more then enough.

In your case, white wire is ground, black wire is connected to bias circuitry of switch boxes. Can't really see where the red one is going.

By the way, the top and bottom switch look like is a different make. From the look of thing, the top one may be a after market switch.

B
 

John115

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Re: Mercury 115hp won't start?

Thanks asm, i was curious about that, i did'nt want to cause myself more problems over a stupid wire. lol
 
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