Mercruiser exhaust systems.

achris

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Exhaust systems 101

Mercury’s introduction of ‘dry-joint’ manifolds (and elbows) seems to have caused more confusion than it needs to. So let’s try to unpack that confusion, and understand what is essentially a very simple system.

Before we go much further here’s a picture of the various parts of the exhaust system and their names, so we are all talking the same language.

exhaust.jpg

Wet-joint vs dry-joint.

This seems to be where the most confusion arises. What is wet-joint and dry-joint?

Merc introduced dry-joint exhausts in 2002 in response to a common problem, the metal between the water jacket and the exhaust cavity was ‘under attack’ from both the sea water (salt) and the red hot exhaust gases. Most manifold replacements were because of this problem, and when the joint failed, water would enter the engine cylinders, usually with expensive consequences.

Here is the ‘wet-joint’ exhaust system.

Manifold-Wet joint.jpg

This is the ‘dry-joint’ system.

Manifold-Dry joint.jpg

As you can see, the dry joint has those thin walled water passages closed off so there is no longer a corrosion failure point, and the water flows through specially cast passages to the sides of the joint.

I have also seen confusion arise from the raw water/closed (fresh) water systems.

In a raw water cooling system, all of the engine (heads, block, manifolds) is cooled by sea water (or lake if you’re not in the sea) and flow through the engine, heads and into the manifolds then up to the elbows through ‘open’ gaskets.

gaskets.jpg
gaskets.JPG
In closed (fresh water) cooling the engine (heads, block, manifolds) is cooled by coolant that is cooled by sea water in a heat exchanger. The gaskets between the manifold and elbow (or riser if risers are being used) are closed, keeping the coolant in the manifold and separate for the sea water in the elbow.

gasketsb.jpg

The only exception is a ½ closed cooling system, where the heads and block have coolant and the exhaust manifolds have sea water, in which case you would want open gaskets.
The elbows themselves are also quite different and easy to identify by just a quick look.

gaskets.jpg
elbows.JPG

Changing from raw to closed cooling does not change the system from wet to dry. To change from wet to dry, you need to replace the manifolds and elbows (and risers if you’re using them)… And you can't 'mix and match'. If you have dry joint manifolds, you MUST use dry joint elbows and risers. Conversely, wet joint manifolds can only have wet joint elbows and risers on them.

I hope this clears up the confusion.

As always, comments below if you have any. (And for the really experienced guys, this is a brief overview, an introduction, not a detailed explanation of every aspect of exhaust design. Yes I’m looking at you @Scott Danforth . ;)) If well received, I'll add it to the stickies.

Chris....
 
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achris

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I'm not seeing any pics?
Make sure your browser isn't blocking websites. (I load my pictures to my ISP webspace and just have an image link to them)... Like this (without the spaces obviously.)...

[ img ] http: // members . iinet . net . au / ~ achris60 / iboats / exhaust_images / .... (the picture name).jpg [ / img ]

That way, I'm not relying on a 3rd party and won't get caught again in the debacle that was photobucket. 🤦

Chris......
 

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Make sure your browser isn't blocking websites. (I load my pictures to my ISP webspace and just have an image link to them)... Like this (without the spaces obviously.)...

[ img ] http: // members . iinet . net . au / ~ achris60 / iboats / exhaust_images / .... (the picture name).jpg [ / img ]

That way, I'm not relying on a 3rd party and won't get caught again in the debacle that was photobucket. 🤦

Chris......
Ok, can see them now after coming back. Makes a lot more sense with the pics!
 

Lou C

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Yes great explanation Chris and definitely one of Mercury’s better ideas. In fact when I did my top end overhaul 4 years ago I considered changing to the Merc dry joint. I had the OMC one piece units (NLA years back) and I knew the newer 2 piece style used by OMC & Volvo would fit. The angles of the Merc elbow were slightly different so I wasn’t sure they would fit. So I went with the later style OMC/Volvo exhaust which work fine. I will probably replace the elbows after 5 years use in salt water. When I need new manifolds next I might see if I can borrow the Merc parts from a local marine exhaust place to see if the parts line up with the OMC/Volvo Y pipe....
 

tank1949

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Exhaust systems 101

Mercury’s introduction of ‘dry-joint’ manifolds (and elbows) seems to have caused more confusion than it needs to. So let’s try to unpack that confusion, and understand what is essentially a very simple system.

Before we go much further here’s a picture of the various parts of the exhaust system and their names, so we are all talking the same language.

exhaust.jpg


Wet-joint vs dry-joint.

This seems to be where the most confusion arises. What is wet-joint and dry-joint?

Merc introduced dry-joint exhausts in 2002 in response to a common problem, the metal between the water jacket and the exhaust cavity was ‘under attack’ from both the sea water (salt) and the red hot exhaust gases. Most manifold replacements were because of this problem, and when the joint failed, water would enter the engine cylinders, usually with expensive consequences.

Here is the ‘wet-joint’ exhaust system.

Manifold-Wet%20joint.jpg


This is the ‘dry-joint’ system.

Manifold-Dry%20joint.jpg


As you can see, the dry joint has those thin walled water passages closed off so there is no longer a corrosion failure point, and the water flows through specially cast passages to the sides of the joint.

I have also seen confusion arise from the raw water/closed (fresh) water systems.

In a raw water cooling system, all of the engine (heads, block, manifolds) are cooled by sea water (or lake if you’re not in the sea) and flow through to the elbows through ‘open’ gaskets.

gaskets.jpg
gaskets.jpg

In closed (fresh water) cooling the engine (heads, block, manifolds) are cooled by coolant that is cooled by sea water in a heat exchanger. The gaskets between the manifold and elbow (or riser if risers are being used) are closed, keeping the coolant in the manifold and separate for the sea water in the elbow.

gasketsb.jpg


The only exception is a ½ closed cooling system, where the heads and block have coolant and the exhaust manifolds have sea water, in which case you would want open gaskets.
The elbows themselves are also quite different and easy to identify by just a quick look.

gaskets.jpg
elbows.jpg


Changing from raw to closed cooling does not change the system from wet to dry. To change from wet to dry, you need to replace the manifolds and elbows (and risers if you’re using them)… And you can't 'mix and match'. If you have dry joint manifolds, you MUST use dry joint elbows and risers. Conversely, wet joint manifolds can only have wet joint elbows and risers on them.

I hope this clears up the confusion.

As always, comments below if you have any. (And for the really experienced guys, this is a brief overview, an introduction, not a detailed explanation of every aspect of exhaust design. Yes I’m looking at you @Scott Danforth . ;)) If well received, I'll add it to the stickies.

Chris....
So what are the steel plates called that allow users to insert between manifolds and elbows (I call risers)?. I have been using a SS sandwich with fiber to block off water passages. They are aftermarket from Sierra and expensive. I have some 1/8" ss flat stock that I thought about fabricating but if I could purchase them reasonably, I'd just buy them.
 

achris

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So what are the steel plates called that allow users to insert between manifolds and elbows (I call risers)?. I have been using a SS sandwich with fiber to block off water passages. They are aftermarket from Sierra and expensive
and completely unnecessary. The MERC gaskets themselves are well up to the job of closing a cooling system. Not sure about the thinner a/market ones though, quite likely they are too thin and need the SS separation plate to give them strength.
 

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and completely unnecessary. The MERC gaskets themselves are well up to the job of closing a cooling system. Not sure about the thinner a/market ones though, quite likely they are too thin and need the SS separation plate to give them strength.

I am sorry, but I disagree to this point.

Both, the manifold and the elbows were brand new
Bolts were torqued to specified value in the maual
Gaskets were original Mercruiser

So I would say I have done nothing wrong.

And after only 29 hours in the salt water of the mediteranian sea my gaskets looked like this on both sides.

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Water from the closed cooling system was leaking into the exhaust.

I bought the dry joint exhaust now, but I would never trust this seperator gaskets from mercruiser again.
 

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Lou C

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Also looks like a bit o water leaked into the exhaust manifold...
 

MichaelBC

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Also looks like a bit o water leaked into the exhaust manifold...
Yes. it did. I had white smoke in the mornig when I started the engine. So when I was back at home I took the engine apart because suspected a cracked head or block. I did exclude the exhaust because all was new. This turned out to be a mistake afterwards. In my oppinion this gaskets are bad.
 

tank1949

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I am sorry, but I disagree to this point.

Both, the manifold and the elbows were brand new
Bolts were torqued to specified value in the maual
Gaskets were original Mercruiser

So I would say I have done nothing wrong.

And after only 29 hours in the salt water of the mediteranian sea my gaskets looked like this on both sides.

View attachment 337847View attachment 337848

Water from the closed cooling system was leaking into the exhaust.

I bought the dry joint exhaust now, but I would never trust this seperator gaskets from mercruiser again.
I found the laminated fiber / ss gaskets years ago (what I have been trying to find again) , but I can't find them. I'd never follow anyone's advise to only using a fiber gasket to seal open manifolds/risers as a block off. There is no backbone! I investigated and discovered that Barrs MFG makes the ss plates and any 2 heat resistant fiber gasket can be sandwiched onto them to make a seal. Good luck!
 

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Chris, need to get the IT nerds to get the pics to show on all browsers before it becomes a sticky
 
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