Merc motor oil...

jg

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I have seen in the past posts that some of you Merc folks are running a Walmart brand of motor oil as opposed to Quicksilver. Are the recommendations still positive on this and if so, can someone remind me what Walmart calles their product. Its an older Merc, 45 HP. Just trying to save a few if possible. Thanks....jg
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Merc motor oil...

"Super Tech Outboard Engine Oil TCW3" I just checked the label. I use it in my old 1978 Johnson 85 w/o problems. Just mix to your ratio.<br /><br />Happy Holidays,<br />Bob
 

jg

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Re: Merc motor oil...

Thank you Bob. Planning to fish out of KY Lake next week, first trip, and will likely run quite a bit of fuel. This will help. Best holiday wishes to you and yours........jg
 

wyattm

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Re: Merc motor oil...

I have run Super Tech TWC-3 and Havoline TWC-3 in Merc 200's for years and have never had any trouble. At $6.00 a gallon in Walmart or Kmart compared to Marinas selling Mercury or yamaha lube at $14-18 a gallon. If engine calls for TWC-3 the manufactories still honor warranties no matter whos brand it is.<br /><br />Happy boating.
 

Trent

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Mercury Marine has made a point of advertising that not all TC-W3 oils are the same, and they've run a test they say proves it. They took two 15-hp Mercury outboards and put their own brand of TC-W3 in the fuel for one, and another OEM's oil in the other. Then they ran the engines for 100 hours.<br /> They took pictures of the results. Neither oil left much of a carbon deposit, but there was noticeable scuffing on the piston of the engine run on non-Mercury oil. Pictures of these results have been printed in their catalogs and dealer-information packets. <br /><br /> Was the test fair? Ray Donahue, Director of Advanced Materials for Mercury, and chairman of the NMMA oil-certification committee says the fuel, engine condition, and other test procedures were identical, and that the tests were run by an independent lab. And the competitor's oil is a currently marketed TC-W3, although Mr. Donahue said, "it had the highest scuff allowed to be still passable.<br /><br /> But, and here's the kicker. Instead of mixing the oil in a ratio of 50:1 as called for, they mixed them at 100:1 for the Mercury tests. Is running an engine this lean "real world"? Donahue told us some boaters push their engines wide open and create the same situation. An engine can run extremely lean if it's opened up too rapidly, but once running at full throttle, the proper mix is restored. <br /><br /> What does this tell us? first, consumers can create conditions to show the weakness in their motors and motor oils; and second, that outboard motor oil can have different characteristics. Both oils passed the standard, and both oils should prevent scuffing, to a similar degree, when used in the proper ratio and with good fuel. But let's face it, boats aren't used like cars and the fuel in those tanks can sit for weeks or months. <br /><br /> The basis for this test and article was run about 6 years ago, but I doubt things have changed much. Informing the consumer that the way he maintains and uses his boat can effect the choice he should be making when purchasing fuel and oil is an important one. <br /><br />One last thing to remember is that the fuels on the market today are designed to be stored in pressurized fuel tanks with evaporation recovery features. Boats do not have this feature and over time, octane boosting additives put into gasoline evaporate, leaving a lower octane rating for the fuel. Here's where quality oils added, can play a bigger part in the engine protection formula.
 

jg

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Re: Merc motor oil...

Although the tests were run by an independant lab, Merc paid the bill. There's a lot of politics that go into these things. Reminds me of an incident I witnessed some years ago when I worked "on the road" doing construction. We had an old PU truck tagged in TX. When inspection came due, the boss handed the tech a $100 bill and told him he needed the truck to pass that inspection. It passed. I don't understand why they (Merc) can't just set up these fuel tests at a 50:1 mix and go with it. Much too easy I suppose. So, thanks for all the informaton. I will be sure to run fresh, alcohol free fuel, maintain good ignition and carb setting, and run the Super Tech. Thanks again. You are all very helpful and have a great Easter holiday...........jg
 

Gregg

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With regards to outboard TC/W3 Motor Oil, you might want to consider Amsoil 2-Cycle Injector Oil. -----Gregg
 
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I'm not going to fall into the trap that all corporate sponsored tests are bogus. Just because some DOT inspector is crooked doesn't mean everyone else is.<br /><br />The manufacturers have a great deal at stake: corporate profits, shgareholder profit/satisfaction, consumer satisfaction-not necessarily in that order. And they have to pay the warranty claims-not Wal Mart.<br /><br />Why people put the cheapest lubricant in their expensive equipment is beyond me. Whether it be a $10,000 outboard or a $50,000 truck.<br /><br />Also, I defy anyone to find "non-oxygenated" fuel in this country. It's going to have some alcohol or MTBE in it. They just don't have to tell you unless it is 10% or higher.
 

seahorse5

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Trents story is true. Not only that, but one of the test for TC-W3 consists of Merc 15's run at 100:1 for 100 hours. An oil can pass the test with up to 15% scuffing of the piston circumference and a small amount of ring sticking. None of the major outboard company's oils have any scuffing or sticking when tested that way.
 

dhammann

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It kills me how people think oil is the salvation to thier engine problems. The bottom line is a manufacture cannot demand (under fedral law) that you have to use a certain oil unless they can prove with scientific data otherwise. It is neglect, not oil brands, that destroy engines. If the label meets the manf. requirements that is all you need. Iv'e seen 40 year old motors that are still running on "whatever". As far as liability, I feel alot better with Walmart's megabuck operation than I do with the Mom & Pop lakeside store....try to file a claim directly with a oil manufacture and see how far it gets you. Most people I know that spend so much on thier boats trade every few years anyway. Don't let your boat own you, after all it is a pleasure craft. Last of all most commercial users of oil, whether it be automotive or marine, use bulk packaged oil negotiated by price, and look at thier longevity!!
 
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