Merc 650 1974 impeller replacement Q's

Cohoho

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Hello,<br /><br />I had a thread earlier about this motor, that I got running and runs like a top now. While I still have a nagging little voice in the back of my head saying, "if it ain't broke don't fix it", I am about to try to replace the impeller just because it hasn't been done in years (ever?).<br /><br />Background: I had it in the shop and the mechanics got the lower unit off about one-half inch before it stuck. They said that it could be risky to force it because it could pull the stuck shaft (shift or drive, I forget) out of the lower unit and require a complete LU rebuild. So I had them stop and nothing has been done since, except for a couple hours of making wakes on Puget Sound. :p <br /><br />Here are my specific Q's:<br /><br />1) I bought a Napa impeller kit for $17. Is this OK, or should I get a factory Mercury part/kit? I didn't get the pump kit for $65 because I didn't figure I'd need housing parts - is this correct?<br /><br />2) When I start dropping the lower unit, I expect resistance at one-half inch. I am making some hardwood wedges to drive in and work the thing open. Is this likely to be successful? Anybody have a better idea?<br /><br />3) My manual says to remove the prop. The mechanics also said the same thing about the prop - it was stuck and forcing it was risky and might damage something. Is it necessary to remove the prop to drop the lower unit? Or does it just make it easier to get at bolts, or protect the prop from damage or something?<br /><br />4) When I get to the point where I'm gently persuading this motor apart, can I see the shift shaft and drive shaft? It looks like the shift shaft wants to stay with the motor and the drive shaft wants to stay with the lower unit - is this correct or do I have it backwards? Which shaft was my mechanic saying I could pull out of the wrong end, and which is the wrong end? If there is room, can I tightly clamp a pair of vise-grips on that shaft and try to pry above or below it to keep it where it belongs? <br /><br />5) I am a professional remodeler in Seattle. I am much more handy with wood, doors, plumbing, wiring, etc than I am with machinery. Are any of you experienced motor guys located in my area, and would you consider trading mechanical work for carpentry?<br /><br />I'm trying to anticipate all the questions I will have when I try this on Saturday, but I'm sure more will come up. Thanks for all the help.
 

Troy_from _Oz

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Re: Merc 650 1974 impeller replacement Q's

Sea Lemon, <br /><br />I think I commented on your impeller replacement in your last thread - but im by no means an expert on the matter, so others might have more useful info. In response to you questions - here is my 2c worth.<br /><br />1) If you arent in a rush to get it back together and use the boat on sat afternoon or sunday ;) maybe stick with the impeller kit, pull the lower unit off and then see if you need the whole pump kit. if you dont, then you can go ahead installing what youve got (which wont take long and you'll be boating on sunday). If you do, then take the impellor kit back and try the whole pump kit. I cant comment on the quality difference though.<br /><br />3) I wouldnt think you would need to pull the prop off. I recently dropped the LU off my 71 merc650 to replace the impellor and I dont think it would have been significantly easier without the prop on.<br /><br />4) if its the same set up as my merc, the drive shaft came out with the LU, but the shift shaft didnt - so this sounds ok. My manual did say to put the engine into gear though to assist when reinstalling the LU. I think with some motors the shift linkage will come out with the LU, which can be a bit fiddly to put back together.<br /><br />hope this helps and good luck!<br /><br />As i said though - its just my 2c worth, and as our dollar is so weak, its really only worth about 1.16c of your money!<br /><br />cheers - t
 

Cohoho

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Re: Merc 650 1974 impeller replacement Q's

Thanks, Troy:<br /><br />One Q that I am still a bit puzzled about is NAPA vs factory parts. I have read lots of threads about getting Mercury parts at NAPA auto parts stores (which I did). But recently I have seen some posts that say "use factory parts". <br /><br /> :confused:
 

papasage

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Re: Merc 650 1974 impeller replacement Q's

i never had problems with napa parts a little cheaper . replaced all the berrings in my 85 1974 a friend ordered them through a berring co same # as on the old berrings .had to be the same .seals to. if they wer any difference the # would be different . thats my 2c worth .papasage>>>>
 

Backlash

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Re: Merc 650 1974 impeller replacement Q's

Hey Sea Lemon,<br />A couple of comments......Even though you may not need to remove the prop to drop the lower unit (and I don't think you do), it's a good idea to remove it periodically to check for fishing line, etc. Just remember to grease the prop shaft with marine grease before reinstalling the prop. It marks it a lot easier to get off the next time around.<br />Nothing wrong with NAPA parts.<br />Since you can drop the lower unit a half inch or so, just follow the instructions in your manual to ensure you have all fasteners removed, and you shouldn't have too much trouble getting the lower unit off. By the way, which manual are you using? I've got a pretty full plate right now or I might take you up on the work swap idea. Good Luck :) <br />Backlash
 

Cohoho

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Re: Merc 650 1974 impeller replacement Q's

Thanks, Papasage and backlash:<br /><br />That makes me feel better about the parts I have.<br /><br />Backlash, I have the Clymer manual, which I have been less than thrilled with for other tasks. In reading up on my lower unit and water pump, it looks pretty good though. There's a good exploded view of the LU, which from the outside appears to be accurate for my model. Of course, the book covers many models, so it can't be super-specific.
 

Cohoho

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Re: Merc 650 1974 impeller replacement Q's

Ok, I'm doing this tomorrow (Saturday 2/1)<br /><br />Any last advice?
 

mellowyellow

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Re: Merc 650 1974 impeller replacement Q's

the hex above the trim tab is 5/8 :) <br />buy some good spindle grease to help out next year.<br />good luck,<br />M.Y.
 
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