Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

dogsdad

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First a sad story, then the questions:<br /><br />I've only had my 1990 Sea Ray a few months. It has a 1990 135 Horse Mercury on it. I've had it out several times and had no problems. We were going out today, but the boat had sat idle in the driveway for about two months because of my wife's back injury. Anyway, before heading to the lake I decided to make sure the battery had the juice to start the motor. All I wanted to do is see if it would fire up and run for a couple of seconds.<br /><br />It did not...so I hooked up some jumper cables to the battery (using my pickup as a source) and tried to crank it again. No fire, just crank. Next I squeeze the bulb a few times thinking the pump needed some priming. The bulb was hard almost immediately. Tried cranking again. Turns over good, but no fire. By now I have cranked the motor about 60 seconds total. I finally decide it either has no spark or no fuel. After digging around in the garage a while, I find my timing light and clip it on a spark lead, and the wife cranks the motor for me. Aha! I have spark. So I now start looking at the fuel lines, etc. I removed the fuel filter and checked it. Seems fine. Squeeze the bulb again, good fuel flow. So I decide there's something not letting fuel into the carbs. I look at the driver's side (right-hand) of the engine, and there's a device with two wires coming from somewhere and it also has two small hoses going to/coming from it. And it has a small pushbutton-looking thing on top of it. I have the wife hold it down while I crank the motor, and it fires right off. Whoopie. I kill it and put the cowl back on and we go to the lake. It gets better.<br /><br />So we are at the lake, the wife gets in the boat, I back it down into the water, she cranks it and floats off the trailer, and I drive away and park. Within three minutes I am on the boat, which has sat there idling in the meantime. But a horn is going off, the same one that chirps when I turn on the ignition. My wife thinks the engine is smoking too much. We kill it, and as I stand there thinking about it, I realize I have forgotten to put the plug in! Yeah, yeah, I know...but hell, I just forgot!<br /><br />Anyway, I jump out of the boat and run to the pickup and get the trailer back in the water pronto, and we manage to get the poor boat back on the trailer before she sinks. I was amazed at how much water she took on in just five or six minutes! Anyway, I install the plug and we launch again. And again, the alarm is sounding when I get back down the dock and into the boat. This being my first boat, I am informed of the oil system alarm, but all that smoke...I stand there thinking, and ask my wife what the water temp gauge says. "Oh, the thing is pegged." Sure enough, nothing from the peehole. We kill it again, and we recover again, but unfortunately had to use some motor power to get back onto the trailer. So, we go home...and tonight, I decide to check on-line to see what I can find out, and I find this site. Okay, so at least ONE good thing happened today! And in this forum I read about there being an overheat alarm. So I suppose that's what was going on.<br /><br />So, now my questions: first, how likely is it that my motor is damaged from overheating? And what was the device on the engine that seems to have cut off fuel flow to the carbs? Will cranking a dry motor, even briefly, destroy the impeller? How long can you run an outboard dry without hurting it, and what is the damage that can be done other than burning it to cinders?<br /><br />By looking at other threads, I already know I will have to drop the lower unit and replace the impeller and check for pieces of it in the cooling system if it is mangled. But I want to know about these other things too, so here I am spilling my guts. Please don't call me an idiot because that word has been ringing in my head all afternoon and night. Thanks for responses, in advance.
 

jim phillips

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

Welcome to the board<br />Frist drop the lower unit and replace the impeller. Be sure to flush the system or blow compressed air through the tell tail before you reinstall the l/u next buy some muffs. Do a compression check to see if there is any other problems.
 

jahughes

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

Don't beat yourself up over a few newbie mistakes, heck, that's your wife's job anyway! ;) I've heard/read that 5 seconds dry running is enough to thrash your impeller. Be safe, and always hook up water before cranking/starting. Can't help with the other questions, will leave to others more familiar with your motor and with overheat problems in general...
 

paulgp6022

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

The thing with the wires and two hoses sounds like an electric choke. Does your igntiton switch where the key goes push in? If so, then this is your electric choke. Push in on it while starting when the motor is cold or has been sitting for extended periods. Shoot some compressed air through the pee hole and put the water muffs on it in the driveway and try again. Insects love tight places! Maybe your thermostat got stuck closed.
 

dogsdad

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

Okay...yes, the boat has the choke that activates by pushing in on the ignition switch. The mechanism I described is under the cowl on the right-hand side of the power head. It has two wires coming from somewhere in the harnesses, and there are two small rubber hoses going to the carbs somewhere. This thing is about the size of a salt shaker and has a small button on top of it. This is the button I had my wife hold down when I was finally able to get the thing to start and run. I was thinking that it may be a fuel cutoff because when I disconnected the fuel line from the fuel filter, I was able to squeeze the priming bulb and fuel flowed freely, but when the lines were reconnected the bulb was hard. I did not think to try squeezing the bulb after the button was pushed, so I don't really know what effect it has, if any.<br /><br />Thanks for the replies so far!
 

paulgp6022

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

Yes, that is your choke. It doesn't move butterfly plates over the carb openings like a traditional choke does. What it does is squirt gasoline into the carbs (like merc90 said) it acts like an enricher. The button on top is for manual starting the motor with the pull rope. That button allows one person to start the motor by allowing you to choke it from the motor and not the ignition switch.
 

dogsdad

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

Ohhhh...okay. Now I get it. I need to be looking at my choke circuit from the ignition switch back to the motor.<br /><br />I've done NONE of the work that's ahead of me due to my ignorance, so I'll be sweating soon. But at least I've learned something from the experience (sevaral things, in fact). Hopefully there is no damage from overheating and everything will go smoothly from here on out. I thank you all for your assistance!
 

catmania

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

You should be able to tell if the choke/enricher is working by turning the key to the on position and pushing it in, dont try to start it, when you push the key in you should hear a click, at the motor coming from the small box you describe. If its working then go to your next problem, replace the impellar. <br /><br />I recently suffered an overheat from a chunk of kelp blocking the intakes, caught it in time thanks to a water pressure guage on the dash, (lots of smoke but it didnt sieze) and after a new impellar my motor is back to working like a champ. The momentary overheat may have put the equivelent of a couple thousand hours on it, but hey it still works. <br /><br />Definitly buy muffs that attach to your garden hose for driveway tests. <br />Good luck
 

andrewkafp

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

If you don't have a manual.. You will need to either buy one or borrow one from your library. Some of the tests and your impeller replacement will be described in there. If you only ran your motor very breifly, I would say you would have caused little or no damage. One member (Who's name we will not mention) ran his Merc at WOT with no oil from 5-10 minutes and although it ceased to function, it still turns over. One cylinder appeared to be badly scored though.<br />BTW It's good to hear that your wife is helpful and interested in boating.. as mine is..<br />It really helps the relationship when you are interested in the same things... and they always seems to bring a degree of organisation to the boat. :D :D
 

y2j

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

nothing happened at all relax<br /><br />With the 60 seconds of cranking the impeller was spinning all that time without lubrication (which is water)<br /><br />You cawked the impeller into pieces blocking the cooling paths. I don't know how your motor looks around the cooling pods but mine definately would need you taking the water jacket off and side pod and cleaning gunk out (old 1970 Thunderbolt)<br /><br />Most of the water which is used for cooling goes through the exuast anyway mate so there was probably still a little going through dont worry so you didn't screw it. You possibly blew a gasket at worst which will cost **** all apart from your time and patience :) <br /><br />Get an impeller kit and fix it blow the passages out with a compressor through the tell tale hole and Goodluck M8
 

andrewkafp

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Re: Merc 135...Had a BAD Day

Dogsdad<br /><br />When you were cranking the motor, was there water flow. (was it on muffs)?I assumed it was, but Y2j suggests that it was dry cranking.. and if it was sitting for a long period of time, the impeller blades get brittle and stick to the sides of the pump. They can break off if dry cranked.
 
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