MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Rake722

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OK guys, this is gonna be painful I am guessing.

I was rubbing down my outdrive in order to paint her up and noticed a tiny weep of oil on the lower unit just behind the pickups towards the transom.

A little further rubbing revealed a blob of white filler / epoxy / ??? something apparently used to stop a hole.

Is the oil in there under pressure ? Should I be worried ? Is there an easy fix such as welding without strip down ?

I saw the upper had been fitted with a reserve canister for gear lub that is fed to the upper vent and was suspicious....I now know my suspicions were founded.

Any advice helpful.

Cheers.

Ron.
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

OK guys, this is gonna be painful I am guessing.

I was rubbing down my outdrive in order to paint her up and noticed a tiny weep of oil on the lower unit just behind the pickups towards the transom.

A little further rubbing revealed a blob of white filler / epoxy / ??? something apparently used to stop a hole.

Is the oil in there under pressure ? Should I be worried ? Is there an easy fix such as welding without strip down ?


I saw the upper had been fitted with a reserve canister for gear lub that is fed to the upper vent and was suspicious....I now know my suspicions were founded.

Any advice helpful.

Cheers.

Ron.

Ayuh,... Post a picture,... The drive should be full of oil, but not under pressure...
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Hi Bond-O, thanks for the reply.

I have had the boat out for 5 20 mile trips which were all good. The top up reservoir has not dropped at all so the leak must be minor but I needed to know if its a time bomb waiting to catch us out.

I don't have a pic of the filler but next time I am there will flat the area back and deliver one.

In terms of a description for the mean time its a 2 inch high 1 inch wide repair set about 3 inches back from the pickup on the right hand side of the lower unit. Without taking the filler out it is difficult to know if its a small crack or large hole :(

Thanks again.

Ron.
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Hi Bond-O, thanks for the reply.

I have had the boat out for 5 20 mile trips which were all good. The top up reservoir has not dropped at all so the leak must be minor but I needed to know if its a time bomb waiting to catch us out.

I don't have a pic of the filler but next time I am there will flat the area back and deliver one.

In terms of a description for the mean time its a 2 inch high 1 inch wide repair set about 3 inches back from the pickup on the right hand side of the lower unit. Without taking the filler out it is difficult to know if its a small crack or large hole :(

Thanks again.

Ron.

Ayuh,... Without seein' it, Of Course, it's probably a Time Bomb,.....

From yer description,.... I'd guess the weep holes got filled with bottom debris,'n crud, causin' that pocket to hold wayer, then it Froze, 'n split the case there,...

Drop the lower unit, 'n have a look from the inside,...
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Thanks Bond-o,

Will get a pic up as soon as I go to the yard. As for dropping the lower - I have had it off and did not see anything from the inside.
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

OK All, I have been back to the boat and ahve taken some images of the filler.







I do not see a weep hole anywhere but even if there were one this is not in the right place for it to be a weep hole.
I have been out on here numerous times and the outdrive has a reservoir fitted to the vent. The oil level has not dropped although there seems to be a slight weep from the filler but very slight.

If I sand the paint the color of the filler is white.

What do you guys think ?
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Well, you have two options: 1) try to clean it up and run it until it fails, or, 2) replace the lower unit with a new or used unit. If you run it until it fails, you don't know when it will fail and you likely ruin the upper drive, too, so plan on shelling out $1500 for an SEI replacement drive. If you buy used, you can find lower units for around $400 in my experience, and a new SEI lower unit is $700 or so.

Side note: 3rd option, find a scrap boat on craigslist or eBay for a couple hundred dollars and steal the lower unit off of it and scrap/sell the rest.
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Thanks haulnazz,

Problem is that I am in the UK and craigslist wont have any of these going cheap.

Is it definite that its gonna fail ?
Is there a more permanent repair as opposed to replace that can be done cost effectively ?

Many thanks.

Ron.
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

If it makes you feel better, I have the exact same drive with the same casting mark on mine. Mine isnt leaking tho. I always thought it was just a casting flaw in the aluminum. Mine also looks white and chalky behind it but its just oxidized aluminum.

If it was me...the next time you replace your impeller or have the oil drained from the lower. I would clean the case up really good, free of oil, and jb weld it. Let it dry and paint over it. That is about the most cost effective (get er done) way to fix it. It wont fail if you keep the water out and oil in.
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Thanks for the post hivoltg.
I'll inspect on next removal for sure.

I can;t imagine someone bodging something like this but its not beyond belief if they did just to sell it.
The fact that there is a reservoir fed to the vent plug hole means that there must have been a leak issue
that someone had a strong attempt at fixing.
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

I would use a drill brush or die grinder and remove the paint from it and get a look to see if it is putty/epoxy, or if it is oxidized aluminum. Since the lower unit is not pressurized, epoxy would not create a problem.

If it is epoxy stick, then grinding it down will let you see how it was applied and if there is a weak spot on one of the edges of the epoxy. If that is the case, then grind it down some more, and rough up the metal about 1/2" beyond the edges just like repairing a hole in fiberglass. Get some epoxy stick and add some over it making it flush with the rest of the casing. If the "hole" is 1 inch, then grind/rough up the metal edges to about a 1 1/2" diameter, then apply the epoxy stick firmly and smear the epoxy to feather the edges. let it dry for the time suggested on the tube. Sand it smooth and paint over it.

I know this fix may seem like a "time bomb fix" but it really is not. There are several products that will do the job. JB Water weld, JB weld Steel stick, or Rectorseal EP-200. EP-200 has a strength of 1,200 PSI, handles temps up to 500 degrees F, 100% water proof, and will last a very long time. Does not rust, can be sanded and drilled, will not crack or shrink. I have used epoxy sticks in way more projects than I can count, from my jeep rock crawler, to home plumbing and it has never let me down. Just make sure you pick the epoxy stick that has the highest PSI rating in the store, and one that states it is designed for metal, and aluminum. Since your drive does not have much PSI at all, any of the epoxy sticks PSI ratings will work, but it never hurts to get the strongest in case it hits a rock or something later on. The key is to make sure you rough up the edges to give it a good grip, and when you apply it, press it FIRMLY into place working from the center to the edges. When applying the epoxy, keeping your fingers wet helps A TON. It keeps your fingers from sticking to the epoxy instead of the drive, and allows you to get it flat and smooth when smearing it, often times eliminating the need for sanding.

Being an engineer I know that there are lots of ways to fix any problem. There is not 1 right way to fix something. The right way is the solution that allows you to achieve the predetermined operative results. Using an epoxy that has a 1,200 PSI tensile strength, handles far more degrees than your drive will produce, and is as water proof as steel, will do just that, unless there is some other factor that I am missing.

I know that there is always the "what if it breaks for fails when I am on the water"? However that is an argument for any part of the boat because at some point and time everything fails and from the looks of your drive, even the OEM failed at one point. If you get the JB water weld, keep a tube on board. If you have issues on the water, you can apply the water weld under the water line and it will still bond and cure even under water in a pinch.

To me it is an easy choice. your choices are to replace your drive, or try this fix and if it fails, implement option 1. You have already ran the boat with this fix and it has proven that it works well.
 
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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Thank you for the reply sti.

I think this will be my first line of attack.
I have found a replacement upper and lower for a decent price here in the UK ?500 but will repair before I swear.

If its unpressurised as you say, vibration would be the only issue I can foresee but I guess thats a very minor issue.

At the end of the season I'll pull the drive and do the repair and also flat it all back and repair any pitting etc with jbweld too and then repaint as now she has been repainted with anti fouling.

Many thanks.

Ron.
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Thank you for the reply sti.

I think this will be my first line of attack.
I have found a replacement upper and lower for a decent price here in the UK ?500 but will repair before I swear.

If its unpressurised as you say, vibration would be the only issue I can foresee but I guess thats a very minor issue.

At the end of the season I'll pull the drive and do the repair and also flat it all back and repair any pitting etc with jbweld too and then repaint as now she has been repainted with anti fouling.

Many thanks.

Ron.
 

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

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sti1471

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Re: MC-1 Lower Unit - Advice needed - found filler and small leak.

Sounds good. Vibration won't effect this repair with epoxy / JBweld. when roughing up the surface with a course grinder it will create enough for it to grab onto. Epoxy stick so incredibly strong I think it will hold up for a long while if no steps are missing during the repair.

Take pictures and let us know how it goes.
 
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