Making your own fuel tank. What are the legal rules?

Homerr

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Can a person make their own fuel cell?<br /><br />If so, I would want to get it checked out to make sure it was OK by legal standards (if there are any)<br /><br />Are there any legal hoops you have to jump through (Coast guard approval etc...)<br /><br />Is there any web sites that show basic construction methods and materials?<br /><br />I need to replace my 78 gallon tank. Can a person make one this size out of 1/8" aluminum?<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />H.
 

seahorse5

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Re: Making your own fuel tank. What are the legal rules?

[CITE: 33CFR183.510]<br /><br />[Page 777-778]<br /> <br /> TITLE 33--NAVIGATION AND NAVIGABLE WATERS<br /> <br /> CHAPTER I--COAST GUARD, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION (CONTINUED)<br /> <br />PART 183--BOATS AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT--Table of Contents<br /> <br /> Subpart J--Fuel Systems<br /> <br />Sec. 183.510 Fuel tanks.<br /><br /> (a) Each fuel tank in a boat must have been tested by its <br />manufacturer<br /><br />[[Page 778]]<br /><br />under Sec. 183.580 and not leak when subjected to the pressure marked on <br />the tank label under Sec. 183.514(b)(5).<br /> (b) Each fuel tank must not leak if subjected to the fire test under <br />Sec. 183.590. Leakage is determined by the static pressure test under <br />Sec. 183.580, except that the test pressure must be at least one-fourth <br />PSIG.<br /> (c) Each fuel tank of less than 25 gallons capacity must not leak if <br />tested under Sec. 183.584.<br /> (d) Each fuel tank with a capacity of 25 to 199 gallons must not <br />leak if tested under Sec. 183.586.<br /> (e) Each fuel tank of 200 gallons capacity or more must not leak if <br />tested under Secs. 183.586 and 183.588.<br /><br />[CGD 74-209, 42 FR 5950, Jan. 31, 1977, as amended by CGD 81-092, 48 FR <br />55736, Dec. 15, 1983]<br /><br />[CITE: 33CFR183.512]<br /><br />[Page 778]<br /> <br /> TITLE 33--NAVIGATION AND NAVIGABLE WATERS<br /> <br /> CHAPTER I--COAST GUARD, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION (CONTINUED)<br /> <br />PART 183--BOATS AND ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT--Table of Contents<br /> <br /> Subpart J--Fuel Systems<br /> <br />Sec. 183.512 Fuel tanks: Prohibited materials.<br /><br /> (a) A fuel tank must not be constructed from terneplate.<br /> (b) Unless it has an inorganic sacrificial galvanic coating on the <br />inside and outside of the tank, a fuel tank must not be constructed from <br />black iron or carbon steel.<br /> (c) A fuel tank encased in cellular plastic or in fiber reinforced <br />plastic must not be constructed from a ferrous alloy.<br /><br />[CGD 74-209, 42 FR 5950, Jan. 31, 1977; 42 FR 24739, May 16, 1977]<br /><br /> <br />Sec. 183.590 Fire test.<br /><br /> (a) A piece of equipment is tested under the following conditions <br />and procedures:<br /> (1) Fuel stop valves, USCG Type A1'' or USCG Type A2'' hoses and <br />hose clamps are tested in a fire chamber.<br /> (2) Fuel filters, strainers, and pumps are tested in a fire chamber <br />or as installed on the engine in the boat.<br /> (3) Fuel tanks must be tested filled with fuel to one-fourth the <br />capacity marked on the tank in a fire chamber or in an actual or <br />simulated hull section.<br /> (b) Each fire test is conducted with free burning heptane and the <br />component must be subjected to a flame for 2\1/2\ minutes.<br /> (c) If the component is tested in a fire chamber:<br /><br />[[Page 784]]<br /><br /> (1) The temperature within one inch of the component must be at <br />least 648 deg.C sometime during the 2\1/2\ minute test;<br /> (2) The surface of the heptane must be 8 to 10 inches below the <br />component being tested; and<br /> (3) The heptane must be in a container that is large enough to <br />permit the perimeter of the top surface of the heptane to extend beyond <br />the vertical projection of the perimeter of the component being tested.<br /> (d) If the component is being tested as installed on an engine, <br />heptane sufficient to burn 2\1/2\ minutes must be poured over the <br />component and allowed to run into a flat bottomed pan under the engine. <br />The pan must be large enough to permit the perimeter of the top surface <br />of the heptane to extend beyond the vertical projection of the perimeter <br />of the engine.<br /> (e) If a fuel tank is being tested in an actual or simulated hull <br />section, the actual or simulated hull section must be of sufficient size <br />to contain enough heptane to burn for 2\1/2\ minutes in a place adjacent <br />to the tank.<br /><br />[CGD 74-209, 42 FR 5950, Jan. 31, 1977, as amended by CGD 77-98, 42 FR <br />36253, July 14, 1977; CGD 85-098, 52 FR 19729, May 27, 1987]
 
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Re: Making your own fuel tank. What are the legal rules?

Homerr,<br /><br />Yikes, you want to go to the feds. and tell them you did all that. They're definetely after all us DIY's. We're going to be legislated right into serfdom.<br /><br />Seahorse, thanks for the info.!!!!
 

Forktail

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Re: Making your own fuel tank. What are the legal rules?

Don't forget venting. That's what they look for. Somewhere in the federal regs it will talk about it.<br /><br />I think the tank must be vented to atmoshphere, and if the tank is confined (like below deck), the compartment must also be vented as well.
 

lonewolf5347

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Re: Making your own fuel tank. What are the legal rules?

WOULD BE EASY JUST TO BUY ONE,OR GO TO CARRY ON TANK'S.PEACE OF MIND IS WORTH THE MONEY. :)
 

Homerr

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Re: Making your own fuel tank. What are the legal rules?

HOLY GAS CAN BATMAN !!!<br /><br />Gees... I think I will buy one!<br /><br />They get ya comin' and goin'<br /><br />Thanks. Very informative!<br /><br />H.
 

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Re: Making your own fuel tank. What are the legal rules?

When I setup this site for a guy in the US, he is selling tanks very cheap, I have no idea if they are suitable, but he has some bow tanks and side tanks, I don't know much about them, but they legit fuel tanks, so it might be worth a look, I doubt you'll find better prices for new stuff..<br /><br />I got some stuff of him and it was delivered promptly.<br /><br />www.kv-e.com<br /><br />(you'll need a paypal account, but thats not a biggie.)<br /><br />regards<br /><br />frank
 

FlyBoyMark

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Re: Making your own fuel tank. What are the legal rules?

.090" 5052 aluminum, tig welded for tanks that are 12 gal or less with filler, p.u., and vent are fine if tested with soapy water under 1-2 PSI for home built. 1/8" 5052 aluminum for bigger tanks and 3/16" for exceptionaly large offshore tanks. They MUST be TIG welded with 5356 filler NOT 4043 and certain sizes and shapes may require baffels. Keep in mind..even though you may have a weldor weld the tank for you, unless its a shop that specificly does marine gas tanks, it is considered homebuilt and will suffice all coast guard regs if you do the above......from me as 20 year aircraft and marine fabricator/weldor
 

bayman

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Re: Making your own fuel tank. What are the legal rules?

I was reading the other day that the #1 cause of deadly explosions on boats was the accumulation of gas vapors in the bilge.<br /><br />The article said that gas vapors are heavier than air and do not simply evaporate not many people think.<br /><br />Like Forktail said, don't forget venting. That part needs to be done right.<br /><br />Because of the dangers of gas tanks below deck many people choose diesel instead, if they must have tanks below deck.<br /><br />If you must go with gas then keep the tanks above deck in the open air if at all possible.<br /><br />Just my two bits on safety. <br /><br />- boatman
 
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