Local Fish Dying( Update, fine issued)

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I heard a news report that hundreds of fish are floating down a stretch of Black river between Glenfield and Beaches Bridge NY. Thats one of the stretches I fish and starts about 4 miles from my house. I took a ride over to see what was going on. I only seen about 6 dead fish but fish are indeed dying. They have an idea what is killing the fish but can't confirm it yet. My guess is the old water treatment ponds from the paper mill that shut down a half dozen years back. The ponds are dry and there has been bulldozers pushing the sides in for the last 2 weeks. The ponds are about five miles upstream and set about 100 yards away from the river bank. This river flows directly into lake Ontario.
 

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Good luck, without more care this will be happening more and more. I grew up in the center of chemical plants and paper mills. We saw many fish kills.
 

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I went back this evening and it is sickening to see all those dead fish. The biggest one I seen was a 42" northern pike. Three million gallons of liquid cow manure went into the river.
 

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Whoever is found to be responsible for such wanton disregard of the environment should be strung up or nailed to the nearest tree :mad:
 

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This spill was caused by the wall of the manure pit giving way. This is one of the largest dairy farms in New York state. All the news is saying is fish are dying, the whitewater rafting business is shut down, and stay away from and don't drink the water. Nothing about the farmer that is responsible.
 

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Wow! Three million gallons of that stuff. Not only will the fish be affected, but what about the birds and other animals that use the river as a source of food. Not to mention the thousands of affected dead decaying fish stinking up the whole joint and being consumed by other animals.<br /><br />The big picture is an ugly one. Any estimates on how long this will take to recover?<br /><br />I would imagine the DER will investigate and hand out fines accordingly.
 

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Flahthead, They are saying a week or two until the heavy concentrations are dispersed then we need heavy snow fall and hard snow pack this winter to flush the river with spring thaw and then years to get the fish populations back to normal. This makes me sick every time I think about it. This farmer is so big and owes so much money he gets away things that the average person would be hung for. Still not one interview on tv or even a mention of the farm owner. This guy is putting up 2 or 3 more barns this summer. They have to hire outside contractors to haul **** with tractor trailers. Some of the local small farmers sold their livestock and rent their land to this guy. I don't know how many people he employs but it looks like a small Mexican village. I know they milk 24 hours a day, hire a full time maintenance crew and stink up the whole county.And now even Lake Ontario. To read about this just do a search on New York manure spill.
 

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Sounds like the guy might have the local county government in his pocket. But now his problems are on the state level, they may not be so light handed with him. He may find that the manure spill is just the beginnings of his problems once they start to look things over. If it was negligence lets hope they bring it to light.<br /><br />When I was up in June the water level in that part of the state was very low, as low as I ever seen it. Is that still the case? If so I would think that would make things even a little worse. I hope you guys get the snow you need to clean this up.
 

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The salmon are just beginning to stage in Lake Ontario for the spawning run which usually begins around the beginning of Sept. This spill will most certainly affect the fishing in that area of the lake where Black River empties into the lake. Black River Bay has always been excellent fishing for walleye and bass also. We'll see what kind of clout this farm owner has now that the Federal EPA is conducting it's investigation.
 

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Originally posted by Flahthead:<br /> Sounds like the guy might have the local county government in his pocket. . If it was negligence lets hope they bring it to light.
it is sad when greed/money out ranks the true problem<br /><br />
When I was up in June the water level in that part of the state was very low, as low as I ever seen it. Is that still the case? If so I would think that would make things even a little worse.
Yes the water level is still wwaaaaaayyyyy low we did have some storms over the weekend that helped, but we still need alot more rain. I know of many area farm ponds that have dried up.
 

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Farmer probably some left wing liberal tree hugger democrat. You know they cause everything!!!! Yeah I know another troll. But this one was too easy to pass on.
 

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Official: Manure Pit Had 'Obvious Problems' <br />Tuesday, August 16, 2005, 5:54pm<br /><br /> <br />An official with the Jefferson County Soil And Water Conservation District says a manure pit that broke open had "obvious problems."<br /><br />Brian Wohnsiedler, the executive director of the district, spent six hours on the Marks farm in Lewis County last Friday, the day after the spill.<br /><br />"There were certain obvious problems with that structure," Wohnsiedler told 7 News.<br /><br />Three million gallons of liquid manure gushed out of the pit, poisoning thousands of fish in the Black River and prompting continuing warnings to avoid drinking from the Black River.<br /><br />Wohnsiedler works with farmers every day, and says liquid manure - and storage pits - are an important, necessary part of modern farming.<br /><br />"This was an exception," he said.<br /><br />Our reporter on the story, Jessica Layton, tried repeatedly to reach the Marks farm for comment Tuesday, but was not successful.<br /><br />In particular, Wohnsiedler says the manure pit that broke was not made from the material commonly used for such pits - clay.<br /><br />"The storage structure was not made of a clay material that we would typically see in earthen storage structures. It was made out of a sand structure."<br /><br />Wohnsiedler said every farm that feeds 200 or more animals and stores manure has to meet federal standards that have been adopted by New York State.<br /><br />He said he can only assume the problems with the manure pit were overlooked, not intentional.<br /><br />"I don't think anybody would knowingly take that type of risk, to have a manure storage structure of that size constructed out of a material that just is not suitable to contain the sheer volume and mass of manure that it held."<br /><br />The Department of Environmental Conservation is responsible for regulating the manure pits, and is investigating the spill.
 

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BRINGS A SONG LYRICS TO MIND. SAME OLD STORY SAME OLD SONG AND DANCE MY FRIENDS. we the poor taxpayer will pay for it. he will"overlook" more stuff and other stuff and the DEC and EPA and the rest will soft shoe and backpeddle, I mean we have the finist backpeddlers in office now to show them how, and the same old story will go on. dont you dare toss a ciggerette butt out the window though :) . the feds and the state can make ginger rogers and fred astare look like amuatuers.
 

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I have a little good news. I stopped by the boat launch that is a mile or two down stream from the spill and seen lots of little fish swimming around. Maybe I will try fishing that stretch and see if I can catch anything.
 

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Farm faces fines<br />Updated: 8/23/2005 4:19 PM<br />By: News 10 Now Staff<br /><br />The Department of Environmental conservation is taking action against the Lewis County Dairy Farm whose manure pit retaining wall gave way and released millions of gallons of manure into the Black River. <br /><br />The DEC estimates between 200,000 and 250,000 fish were killed because of the spill. Marx Farm in Lowville has been cited for alleged violations of water quality standards and they're accused of discharging into state waters without a DEC permit.<br /><br />Those infractions are punishable with a maximum fine of $37,000, that’s $500 for each violation on each day they happened. The farm is also being cited for the alleged release of materials that injured fish which carries a maximum fine of a thousand dollars plus ten dollars for each fish killed. It could be as much as $2.5 million. Additional charges could be filed.
 

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DuPont on the Intra Coastal Canal in Orange, Texas had a pollution measuring device on the water outfall from the plant so they could pay for polluting. It is cheaper to pay fine than to clean up the processing.<br /><br />Remember early in this administration permits for coal burning pollution were issued and could be sold in the industry. Now that really made sense.
 

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At least you are not dealing with heavy metals because as we have found on the gulf coast they do not go away. If you want to see pollution come to the coast in Texas and we can show you what happens when there are no tree huggers around. Now the petro chem plants are being forced to limit or stop pollution so they are moving to another country so they can pollute it. What is it all about??? MONEY
 

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