Johnson Proper Orifice/Jet Size? Help!

vivomi59

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My 1977 70HP Johnson is having acceleration problems. I've done the link & synch, removed carbs thrice (duh, how could I have missed one float was upside down and that all 3 needed adjustment?) but still have problems during acceleration. Could it be that one orifice is causing the headache?

This outboard starts and accelerates fine (at home with a hose) but in the water, after warming up, when I accelerate it bogs down, acts as if it wants to cut off, stalling, for a goood 20-30 secs. Then, it will either accelerate well into high rpms or I will have to shift to neutral to avoid damage and try again. Although the last time I was out it appeared that pressing the fuel line bulb and then accelerating solved the problem.

I am at a quandry 'cause this motor has been cannibalized. That is to say, the numbers on the fuel pump are not the one that's supposed to be there (although I've checked and re-checked and eliminated it as the source of my problem) and the carburators numbers are not the ones Johnson says are supposed to be there, but the pics in both of my shop manuals indicate they're the right carbs. The carb numbers (all 3 the same) are 322292. Johnson's website states 03887905 is supposed to be the correct one. Unfortunately, it says nothing about orifice sizes, which leaves me to my question: Is it possible that the one orifice discrepancy is causing the problem? The top orifices (low speed) in carbs 2 & 3 is .303. The top carb (#1) is .330. All 3 carbs have the same high speed orifice (at the lower or bowl section) - 54D, and according to the manual, it is the correct size.

Can anyone out there tell me: a. Is this a possible cause for my acceleration problems?

b. Does anyone know what the right size orifice would be for this carb? I talked the the local Johnson parts dealer and could not get an answer. Should I just go ahead and change this one orifice to see what happens?

I've checked the electrics with an ohms meter and an automotive engine analyzer but of course, its not the same thing as having the right equipment. In any event, it appears that my coils, power pack, and timer base/coils are in working order.

Ah! One other symptom: no matter what I do, the plugs always seem to be wet (not with water but gas/oil). Naw, I'm careful about measuring the right 50:1 mix; that aint it. !@#$%^&*()_+ what gives? HELP!

You guys have come through for me in the past and I know you won't fail me now. Any thoughts, ideas & suggestions will be greatly appreciated
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Johnson Proper Orifice/Jet Size? Help!

The problem you speak of is caused by fouled carburetors, a sticking timer base, or having the throttle butterflies opening too soon. This is assuming the compression, spark, etc is okay.

I don't know where you're getting those part numbers from but I would suspect what you're looking at is merely casting numbers, not part numbers. You mention the number 03887905..... I cannot find that number anywhere.

However, the answer to your questions are as follows.

Part number for the TOP and BOTTOM carburetor = 387905

Part number for the CENTER carburetor = 387904

Part number for the SLOW speed jets = 320016 = .032 (Marked 32)

Part number for the HIGH speed jets = 321407 = .054 (Marked 54D)
 

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Re: Johnson Proper Orifice/Jet Size? Help!

You said that the last time you were out, squeezing the primer bulb when accerlating solved the problem. You might want to check out the fuel pump operation.
 

vivomi59

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Re: Johnson Proper Orifice/Jet Size? Help!

Reeves and Daviet: Thanks, gentlemen! Now I can go to my dealer and see if they've got these parts. Reeves: You are correct, the numbers I cited are the casting numbers (foolish me, I thought they were the parts number; but then again, I'm sorta new to this field...) Dumb question, but I gotta ask: where do I find the part number on the carbs?

You raise a very interesting question and I hope to get advice on an issue that's been troubling me. When I take the air silencer off the carbs and pull down on the cam roller I observe that throttle valves (butterflies) 1 & 2 come on level with the choke flies, but number 3 is about 1/4" off, which I would surmise makes a big difference in acceleration/performance. I spent an entire 3 hours attempting to make adjustments so that all 3 open and close at the same time/level but was unsuccsesfull.

Now of course I await a wise sage to inform me: "Hey dummy, you need to..." So please, someone out there illuminate me?

Just in case, last time I checked compression was 120, 115 and 116. Not bad for a 77, huh?

Again, thanks for the help and if you could anyone knows how to solve the butterfly issue, please let me know.

Last question, do you think that if that top carb has an orifice with .033 stamped on it would make that big a difference? I'm venturing to guess perhaps it is not the problem; only 3 thousand'ths.

The problem you speak of is caused by fouled carburetors, a sticking timer base, or having the throttle butterflies opening too soon. This is assuming the compression, spark, etc is okay.

I don't know where you're getting those part numbers from but I would suspect what you're looking at is merely casting numbers, not part numbers. You mention the number 03887905..... I cannot find that number anywhere.

However, the answer to your questions are as follows.

Part number for the TOP and BOTTOM carburetor = 387905

Part number for the CENTER carburetor = 387904

Part number for the SLOW speed jets = 320016 = .032 (Marked 32)

Part number for the HIGH speed jets = 321407 = .054 (Marked 54D)
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Johnson Proper Orifice/Jet Size? Help!

Check the diameter of the carburetor throttle roller. Some have a junk clear plastic covering that crumbles over a smaller black one, reducing the diameter size. Faulty one will be about 3/16" dia. Proper size would be about 3/8" dia.
 

vivomi59

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Re: Johnson Proper Orifice/Jet Size? Help!

Thanks, Joe. I'd never thought to look at a small detail like that. I'll check it out and let you know what I find. noel
 

vivomi59

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Re: Johnson Proper Orifice/Jet Size? Help!

Ok, well, no one told me wether or not 2 carbs having a .030 jet (#2&3) and the top one having an .033 jet would affect acceleration/performance. So, I'm on my way to the Johnson dealer to buy an .030 jet. I'll report on what I find - if changing jets solves the problem.

AH! Before I forget - I checked the roller on my carbs, it's intact, so that's not the problem.

On my last trip I noticed the following: if the engine is cool, I'll warm it up, accelerate, and she runs like a charm, no problems. After trolling around for stripers (no luck!) when I attempted to take off, it refused; I could only go slow. I turned the engine off, removed the cover, and let it cool off for 1/2 hour, started the engine and it ran (WOT) smooth again.

So my latest conspiracy theory is blaming the temperature sensor. I checked the warning horn by disconecting it, turning the switch to on and grounding the wire. Horn works. Try as I may, I could not find info on how to check the sensor. Any ideas? Please join...
 
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