JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

skiers5

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Gday from Australia fellow boaters. I just acquired a V4 115hp johnson previous owner claimed it was a 1995 model same as the hull. I have looked on the mounting bracket but can not find a model number anywhere. I am sure it has been painted at some stage may be its under the paint...but where. The engine number on the block is 016325A56 another number stamped into the mounting bracket is 190078 21FS no idea what this one is. Compressions are concerning all 115-120 except cyl 1 came in at 90psi. I'm going to try a decarb to may be unstick rings hopefully if that fails will replace the rings . Tacho works intermittently could this be the volt reg on the way out, the earth wire from box was slightly corroded but cleaned up well but have not retested as yet. It is charging at about 13.8v. Where is the volt reg located is it a black rectangular box bolted to top of block above cyl 3. The box had a part number BRP CD4 584027 19 F1C-BH. Any one with knowledge of these motors I'd really appreciate some help please. Thanks and a merry chirstmas to all.
Best regards
Dean Cameron
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

The model/Serial number on a 1995 V4 Johnson outboard may be on a quarter sized core plug (looks like a small freeze out plug) located on the powerhead.

Also, on many models, there was a heavy duty decal located at the top portion of the steering swivel bracket... between the swivel bracket and the long exhaust housing. If painted over, clean it very carefully for the numbers.

The water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier would be located on top of the engine directly in back of the flywheel.

(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Remove that gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
 

seahorse5

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

Is the motor pan trim switch on the port side or the starboard side ?
 

skiers5

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

G'day Joe, Joe thanks for that excellent info it'll cut my labour time in half. and the motor pan trim switch is on the starboard side.

Do you have any ideas on best prop for these motors. It's on a Seafarer V-Sea 5 mtr and to be used off shore with bar crossings to access blue water. Will also be used to teach our kids how to waterski so top end speed will be a requirement as well. Maybe I go to a stainless for outside work and an alloy prop for ski work. Once again thanks to all for getting back to me really appreciate the knowledge passed on, thank you.
Dean
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

Sorry, I'm not a prop man. I'll leave that suggestion up to another member.
 

bob johnson

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

my 1995 115 hp V4 60 degree looper( ocean runner) has the trim switch on the port side of the lower cowling
 

noelm

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

I 115 on a vsea will zip it along, go for a stainless prop for both ski and fishing, makes no sense to swap to alloy for skiing! you may need to run a few props to get the best performance, you need to be sure your motor can acheive max RPM with a narmal load, can you post a picture of your motor? might help identify it.
 

noelm

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

OH, dont be too concerned about the 1 cylinder being a bit low, give it a run and see how it goes, then re test it, do not just strip it down and replace the rings, outboards need to be done once and done properly!
 

seahorse5

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

my 1995 115 hp V4 60 degree looper( ocean runner) has the trim switch on the port side of the lower cowling

That's why I asked the question - to find out which type of motor he had. The loopers which came out in 1995 have the trim on the port side. The cross-flow V-4's have the switch on the stb. side. That's the easiest way to tell them apart.
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

Your propping needs are exactly opposite. When skiing, you need a hole shot prop (like a 15 or 17 pitch) that has lots of power/torque out of the hole and runs up to 25-30 mph. For normal boating, you need a prop (17 or 19 pitch) which will provide good fuel economy, perhaps a little higher speed-when run for many miles. Likely no one prop will provide you with satisfaction in both areas. Many boaters carry a spare prop for that "just in case" situation. You may find that you can acquire one prop for skiing and the other for general boating. That way you always have that spare prop on hand and can prop for any day's boating activity.
 

bob johnson

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

Configuration / Style Cuddy
Construction Fibreglass
Length 5.0m
Beam 2.14m
Depth N.A
Hull Weight 450kg
Max engine hp 90hp
Sheet size N.A
Fuel Tank optional
Deadrise 19 deg
Tested Power 90hp


I viewed a review of this boat and it said with the 90 e-tech, it ran to 32 knots at 5400 rpms

technically the 115 is over powering based on the manufacturere info..

but that wouldnt bother me so much...

I dont you will get to put a 19 pitch prop on that boat....

I have a 13 degree MOD V 2070 weighing about 1200 lbs... and I am propped at 15 pitch unladened at 5500 rpms aluminum...at 37 mph

a SS 15 pitch prop gave me 5900 rpms!!!!at 39 mph

loaded with a few people and some gear i have to drop down to a 13 pitch to stay above 5500 rpms!!


bob
 

skiers5

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Re: JOHNSON 115 motor recognition needed

I really like getting into these forums good common sense and a wealth of knowledge is so beneficial. Ended up getting a 13 7/8 x 15 stainless second hand.Hub is in exc cond cupping good, no nicks or damaged unused for 10 years the part number leads to a Viper prop. Not bad for 50.00 i thought.
Next question,
recieved my new reg/rectifier a CDI unit the part number 193-4204 it replaces the orignal unit on my motor which was 584204. The old unit has the 2 yellow wires one with a grey trace on it, the new unit has no trace on either wire. The only difference is a difference in length between the 2 yellow wires.
Any info on install of the new unit appreciated.
Again thanks to all, Dean
 
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