Introduction... and Help for a Boating Virgin

Island_Chica

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Hello Everyone. I've just signed up for this forum. A short intro: Husband and I are in our mid-30s with a 2 y.o. and a baby arriving in about 7 weeks. We'll have two boys and are looking forward to years of skiing, tubing and fun on the water. We live in Metro Atlanta, so we're in pretty popular "boat country." Lake Lanier, Allatoona, Hartwell, and several mountain lakes are all within two hours. Lanier is only about 20 mins from our house, so we'll be able to go often (after work and on most weekends)

Anyway, we've certainly been on boats and driven boats many times, but are new to the whole idea of ownership. Hubby is a bit reluctant because it's kind of maintenance pain and money drain at times, but I've convinced him to making power boating/sailing our main family activity. We're currently saving to purchase our first boat, probably next summer. After doing some research, I think we like the Sea Rays, probably 185 Sport or 195. Boat would be used for lake cruising, tubing and skiing. We'd like to take our little family and one other small family out on a regular basis. I know a 185 would be tight, but we'd be making shorter runs, so it's okay. We'd opt for a used the first time out with a max budget around $15,000-$18,000. Looks like an 05-07 might be found for this price range.

Here's what I know: have boat checked by mechanic, if boat looks a mess it's probably an indication it hasn't been well-maintained mechanically, smaller = better for your first boat, take your time shopping and HAVE BOAT CHECKED BY MECHANIC. The first and last points seem to be the most valuable info.

Here's what I don't know and why I'm here:
(1) A lot of boats advertise "only 93 hours" or "211 hours" on the engine. Is there a standard number of hours a recreational boater puts on an engine in a year? For a 4-6 y.o. boat, what's high? What's low? I assume it's like miles on a car.
(2) We'll be freshwater boating. If that's the case, am I correct to assume I'll want to avoid purchasing a boat that's spent a lot of time in salt water? Salt water, in my experience, is usually tough on everything.
(3) Are we looking at too new or too old of a boat for our needs? We don't have the time or skills to mess with a "project" of any kind (turn key, boat goes is my style) but we want the boat to be good for at least 5 years with regular maintenance. Would like keep boat in dry storage for the foreseeable future since fussing with boat ramps is a tricky business when you're shuffling two young kids.

Any other advice? Any other similar boats to check out? I narrowed in on Sea Rays because I like the styling, they appear to hold value decently well and they seem like a solid choice for a first timer. Would like a bowrider, between 18-20 feet. Thanks in advance, and for your patience.
 

Texasmark

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Re: Introduction... and Help for a Boating Virgin

Sea Ray is an excellent choice for a boat. 19.5 is a good size. We had an 18' tri hull bow-rider with walk through windshield and canvas top. We had 4 children so with 6 aboard it was ok, but crowded. I personally like the bow-rider but I would prefer it in a deep V hull which Sea Ray does a stellar job of manufacturing....didn't have open bows back when we had our tri-hull...that I knew of. Friend had an 18' Sea Ray I/O and loved it....it wasn't a bow-rider.

I don't think engine hours matter. How the owner cared for the boat is what matters most.....and as you said, if the boat is tidy and not a lot of carless abuse marks then one can assume that the owner was careful with other things too that will matter to you.

One thing to look at is the prop and skeg (vertical part in front of the prop and below the round gearbox that the prop is behind). I know accidents happen, but a person that regularly runs the boat aground, chewing up the prop and rubbing the paint off the skeg is not all that careful and may not pay much attention to other things that will matter to you.....just my opinion and I am not throwing rocks at anyone... just my opinion. I go out of my way to avoid it.

Good luck,

Mark
 

lakegeorge

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Welcome, Having owned 3 Sea Rays I can tell you that they are great boats with very good re-sales. After 50 years of boating and owning over 20 boats ( I'm nuts about boats ) except for 2 boats I always bought used and never regretted any of them.

As others have said if the boat was properly maintained the hours shouldn't be that big a deal. Most Sea Rays have hour meters on them.

The bowriders are nice, however I wouldn't rule out a weekender as you will have someplace to put the kids down if they get sleepy, and in the fresh air they will, been there done that.

Get the biggest boat that you can afford and don't be afraid to buy one 8 or 10 years old.

Good luck, maybe we will see you on Lanier, we keep a pontoon boat at Bald Ridge.
 

BTMCB

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Re: Introduction... and Help for a Boating Virgin

Welcome. Great first post! Sounds like you have (a) done your homework and (b) know what you want. Your husband is a lucky guy! You are certainly on the right track. As far as "hours" go, in my opinion (and others might feel otherwise), I would want a boat that has been run regularly AND well maintained regularly. For example, I just traded in my 2008, which I bought new in 2009. In just under 2 years, I put 190+ hours on it. I washed it after each splash and it was maintained by a mobile tech. It looked as good and performed as well the day I sold it as the day I bought it.

As far as avoiding a boat that has been splashed in salt.....again depends on maintenance. Was the engine flushed after each use? Condition of the trailer? (painted or galvanized). Since you are planning on fresh water use only, probably better off looking for a fresh water only boat.....but...I wouldn't let a great deal be passed up solely because it was used in salt....again IF maintained.

Many others might disagree with me here too.....but in my opinion.....the newer the better. I too didn;t want a "project" - I wanted piece of mind and hassle free; or at least a warranty to use if there were any hassles. With your young children and your intended use, you don't ever want to be stranded at the dock or worse...on the lake. You want to turn the key and enjoy the day on the water without worry.

Good luck and keep us informed!
 

goboating

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Re: Introduction... and Help for a Boating Virgin

Welcome to iboats!!!!! I think I have heard it all now:eek:....never heard of the wife telling her husband " You go out and buy a boat!or else!!!" usually its the husband and there is alot of begging and pleading!!! Anyway glad you have joined...Look further into this forum for USED BOAT CHECKLIST. I liked it so much I downloaded it...A good rule of thumb is the newer the boat the better. You tend to stay away from under deck problems (stringers,tramsom etc)...Also ask how the boat was stored, in a garage, if it was outside was it covered up at least...Another good source is Craigslist!!! You'll be amazed at whats for sale..and alot of the time its the prices that are asked...semms more realistic...to me. Also there is www.boattrader.com, this would be good to see whats available in your area. I don't have any thoughts on make or model, theres just to much out there to chose from...Dry storage is nice, but pricey!!!!...It all depends on how the boat is maintained...there are boats that have spent their entire life in saltwater and look wonderful....then there are those that are ready for the junkyard...Anything can be a moneypit at times, if you take care if it then when something happens, it will be less of an issue. Keep searching, theres LOTS of advice here any we are all pulling for you.:D
 

doberacker

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Re: Introduction... and Help for a Boating Virgin

You will find EVERYTHING you ever wanted to know about boats here! And if you need parts?? They have them here too! I raised three kids and taking them out on the boat was/"is" their most memorable experiences! It's a great way to connect with each other! Sounds like you've done your homework, so take your time, there are LOTS of boats out there! LOTS!! You can get a great boat at a great price right now! Contrats, and welcome again! D.
 

Island_Chica

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Re: Introduction... and Help for a Boating Virgin

Thanks for the tips. I'll look in to some Sea Ray "weekender" type boats as well. I agree it would be nice to have an napping area for the kids (or me, for that matter). Agree with the poster who suggested Craigslist. We're willing to go pretty far afield to pick up the boat - NC, SC, TN, Alabama, etc. There appear to be a lot of good listings particularly in Charlotte, with Wylie and Norman being big boating areas.

To the poster who said dry storage is pricey. I know that's true (my BIL had a Crownline he bought new and stored up at a Lanier marina). I recall it being $300 a month or so? I thought we'd go that route for at least the first year. We have a Honda Pilot, FWD so I'm concerned we could face issues with the ramp not having a 4WD. Towing capacity is 4,500 lbs. I know nothing about towing yet - we'll cross that bridge when we get there and have real numbers to calculate. BIL does have a Ford F-150 4WD, but he won't be with us each time we go.

Can the mechanic we hire to examine the boat(s) give us tips on maintenance? Is there a checklist online that shows when/how to regularly maintain a boat for novices?

Funny about the wife not being the one to encourage a boat purchase... I guess that's probably true, but for me it's just so much fun. Especially with two young sons. Start 'em young, right?
 

mpdive

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Re: Introduction... and Help for a Boating Virgin

Purchased mine from Craiglist in Charlotte. Chinese man with two kids in college and no need for the boat any longer. Take your time and consider hiring a marine surveyor in the area. For a couple hundred bucks, they will dry land inspect it and if it's near water will even do a wet check for you. Like I said, money well spent. Happy boating. (why cant my wife let me buy things....I'm whispering this....)
 

sbbamafan

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I keep my boat at Lanier and boat Lanier. Pretty lake but it gets horribly rough on weekends. You really need a boat 22 feet or more out there. My 20' Chaparral takes pounding there. I live in Roswell. I would be open to taking the two of you out some time to see what it is like. I have also helped a couple of friends make boat purchases. While I dont call myself an expert - I am pretty knowledgable. PM me if you would like further input. I am holding out until I can bite the bullet on 26' or so.

As for hours, I think most people average about 50 per year, but low hours doesn't substitute for maintenance. I have 1100 on mine and it runs like a champ.
 

mpdive

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Reminds me of Lake Norman in Charlotte. Nice to be out during the weekdays but I dont even attempt the main channel at any time. I have seen plenty of 30-40 footers out there chopping it up real good. My 18 footer does an admirable job and we have been in some rough water. I always back her way down in the chop so I dont bury her. Anyone ever wonder where the rogue waves come from? I was headed towards the dam on Clarks Hill Saturday and there was no other boat traffic in sight. I looked ahead and see a 4 footer all by it's lonesome self just rolling along. Forty fived her and wqaited till it smacked shore before heading back. Where do these come from? I almost spilled my martini! LOL
 

Island_Chica

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Re: Introduction... and Help for a Boating Virgin

bamafan - thanks for the offer. We might take you up on that - very generous of you. My BIL's boat was, I think, an 18-20 footer. I certainly recall how rough it got on the weekends, especially in the channel. Lanier has so many large cruisers that the waters get really choppy. Wondering if we'd be advised to look at something a little older and larger. Like you said 22 ft or so. I just don't want more boat than we can handle. Or more than we can tow.

I get nervous about maintenance as a boat gets more age on it. But I guess that's where a marine surveyor is really worth his weight, eh?

And yes, I'd say Lanier and Norman are similar. I grew up in CLT.
 

hog88

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My biggest advice to you is if you think you will be tight with an 18 or 19 footer, YOU WILL.. With 2 growing kids it will not be long before they have friends out with you and if you have other friends it will get crowded. We made that mistake on our first boat when the kids were small and after about 3 or 4 years we wanted a bigger boat.

3 or 4 feet make a huge difference, the difference between keeping a boat 12 to 15 years and using it or leaving it n the driveway because you don't want the hassle. Throw in tubes, skis, lunch and all of a sudden you are bunched in like sardines. Boats will never be as cheap as they are now, go bigger and you will enjoy your purchase much more.
 

goboating

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With the kids and their friends etc. Have you given much thought to a pontoon? In the 24-28 foot range? That size boat with a 150-175 on the back will do whatever you want,plus handle the waves and weather. Lots of good used ones out there.
 

Island_Chica

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We have given thought to a pontoon. Ultimately, I like the feel of a v-hull (is that the right term? guessing) on the water. It's more fun. I kind of like being bounced a bit by the waves. But that's just me.
 

oops!

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Re: Introduction... and Help for a Boating Virgin

hi...welcome to iboats.

1. avg 40 hrs per season....if you can find one with less you are doing great.

2. i would stay away from anything that has been in the salt chuck if i live around fresh water boats.... the salt boat will be far cheaper...but count on new manifolds per every 4 years.....mainfolds are expencive.

3. you are in the right target range for a boat....19 foot bowrider, you could even possibly get it cheaper pending local economy. one thing....i would also not count out a deck boat.......this is a bow rider with a berth.....unreal boats! a little more money......but with prices in the boating world.... it is possible......just have the money and be ready to pull the trigger if you see the deal

cheers
oops
 
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