Insurance Claim Question.

mistyb

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Okay, so here is the back story-

(I talked to the previous owner yesterday morning)
We purchased our boat (1986 Century Meridian 275) 3 years ago - The previous owner said that there was a leak in the hatch seal, which was repaired (verified new rubber) That the floor had gotten wet and the plywood delaminated over the fall, winter, and spring storage time frame. When he discovered the damage he cut away the damaged wood. Removed a large portion of the foam - Used a drying agent in the hull - Added new foam - and patched the subfloor in the cabin.

When we had the boat checked out when we bought it, everything checked out. The moisture meters did not indicate any problems. There was no rot detected... That said, we now have a major major issue....

We have been trying to sell our boat for about 2 weeks now... we didnt really check it out too much, since we figured it had been stored and covered all winter, we didnt need to worry about it. How wrong we were and it turned out to be very embarassing... A guy came to check it out, and when inspecting the cabin, discovered a VERY soft spot in the floor beneath the Hatch. Declined to purchase for obvious reasons... I did not have time to check it out right away, so I secured the boats cover, and headed home.

Saturday I went back to the boat to investigate the damage and see how bad it was. My dad (been rehabing boats for about 20 yrs) met me over at the storage facility, which is an out door place...

When we pulled up the carpet, we realized that though the floor was patched, the previous owner failed to re-glass it. and there was about 1/4 inch gaps around the patch where it had separated from the rest of the floor wood.

We removed the softened and wet plywood (extremely saturated) and looks like the beginning of rot setting in - (It is important to note at this time that the boat is stored on a trailer in a fenced in facility, outdoors. It was completely covered with no apparent way for water to get into the boat. -- prior to storing, it was tipped up to drain, washed, and hatch seals were replaced -- This all took place in mid october. After draining, and washing, we took to boat to storage, secured boat, removed all valuables, electronics, etc. and covered it) It has been in storage since. It was checked on average twice a month. If the cover had come displaced due to wind, or other undetermined cause we would check to make sure deck drains were not plugged, make sure windows and hatches were not open, and would recover the boat.

As we were removing the floor, we found that the boats hull is entirely foam cored. about mid cabin, extending aproximately 22 or 23 inches in either direction from center keel, there is nothing but foam - no wood, and no fiberglass until you get to the curve of the hull.... We have cored several areas of the foam, each aprox 8 inched in diameter, and water is pooling in the holes we dug out to about 2 inches deep... Anyhow, it got late, we were hot and tired and went home.. Called insurance company - They filed a claim and said they will send someone to assess the damages to the boat. (discovered hatch latches were broken at the time we were looking for other damage)
The glass is also cracked where the hinge screws into it at the opposite side (kiddy-corner) to the pry marks...

I called my local police department, and they came, filed a report, and determined the cause of the damage to the hatch and aft cabin window (which also has pry marks and is missing most of the screws) to be caused by "malicious mischief" - I can pick up my report Wednesday....

My question here is, and I know they probably wont cover the severe wood deterioration, Is my insurance likely to cover the extensive water intrusion and soaked foam and possibly damaged stringers in the boat, because the water got in as a direct result of the vandalism to the hatch that kept it from sealing properly?

I am hoping so.... Any thoughts would really be appreciated! thanks
 

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Re: Insurance Claim Question.

My question here is, and I know they probably wont cover the severe wood deterioration, Is my insurance likely to cover the extensive water intrusion and soaked foam and possibly damaged stringers in the boat, because the water got in as a direct result of the vandalism to the hatch that kept it from sealing properly?

Ayuh,.... For a 1986 boat,..??..??... Don't hold yer breath waitin'...
 

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Is my insurance likely to cover the extensive water intrusion and soaked foam and possibly damaged stringers in the boat, because the water got in as a direct result of the vandalism to the hatch that kept it from sealing properly?

Not a chance in heck. They'll fix the exterior break-in damage at BEST.
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Insurance Claim Question.

read your policy-- that is the contract between you and the insurance company. Focus on damage from burglary/vandalism.

Without reading YOUR policy we can only guess.

But I love to guess. Direct damage (broken hatch) possibly. Scratches to a 25 year old hull? not likely (the test is how much your value is diminished, which is 0 on a boat that old). Water damage? Highly unlikely because you didn't fix the hatch immediately after it broke. October to August is a long time to leave a boat just sitting. The insured has a duty to minimize damage and report promptly, in most policies.

And not that it will go that far, you have an issue as to pre-existing damage, which will be a proof issue, as well as not storing it so it will drain--that is the real cause of any major damage.

Think of it this way: Someone throws a brick through my window at home. Insurance pays. If he does it during a heavy rainstorm, the damage inside to drapes, carpet, etc. is probably covered. But if he throws a brick through the window on a sunny day in October, and I don't do anything about it until August, and my floor is rotted out as well as my carpet damaged, no way.
 

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Home Cookin's answer is SPOT ON. Read your policy and work WITH the adjuster.

Nothing more to be said.
 

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Okay, update - Surveyor came out today, and did a survey. He said the water is likely from the vandalised hatch. He said the The transom and stringers don't register high on the moisture meter, which leads him to believe that they are probably okay. He said the majority of the is in the center of the hull beneath the cabin. He said the insurance will likely pay to have the hatch replaced. He also said there is a good chance that even though they will exclude the damage to the wood floor, they very likely may decide to cover the damage to the foam and replacing it... Hopefully they will.... Thoughts?
 

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After reading this post a few times, somethings just dont seem right in my opinon. You say you put your boat up for sale, and didnt even do a walk through, and check that everthing is right. A soft spot would be felt if you went through the boat. Also you say, you discovered hatch latches were broken, ect. Who ever tried to get into the boat, did this, then must have recovered the boat. Maybe I missed something, but I have to agree with Home Cookin, if you would have taken the time to go through your boat before you put it up for sale, or looked closer at eveything when you came out on an average of twice a month, while it was stored, things would have been discovered sooner. Now you want to lay it on the insurance company, good luck.
 
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etracer, it is possible that whoever tired to get in the boat recovered it, sure. And it's not being "laid" on the insurance company. If Vandalism and its resulting damage are a covered cause of loss, it's what insurance is for. It sounds to me that the OP has provided a reasonable cause of loss and it's up to the carrier to determine the coverage. Nothing too bad here.
 

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TilliamWe, As I said, "in my opinon". And yes, alot, of things are possible. I find it a bit odd that, before you show a boat for sale, that the OP didnt find these things. I have sold boats, race cars, cars, and would look the whole thing over before, letting a possible buyer discover things that should have been taken care of before. Of course, I offen wonder why, people put cars or boats up for sale and dont bother doing a bit of clean-up also, and just write, it needs some TLC or needs to be cleaned up. I come from a boating family that has had large (38ft) boats stored outside for the winter, and at least also twice a month we would go check things out, but we also went under the cover to check for critter damage too. Im not trying to start anything, just my opinon.
 

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etracer68 - I understand your perspective. To set a few things straight. our acrylic sliding door locked, and sealed tight.. We had replaced the hatch latches and seals in october, prior to putting the boat in storage. As far as we were aware, the cabin itself was locked down tight and completely secure. We also removed the cushions on our deck seats and stored them in our garage. (the ones that were removable). Beyond that we removed all dock lines, poles, life preservers, bumpers, radios, depth sounder, fish finders, electronics, stereo components, food, etc. EVERYTHING that could be removed was, and was then stored in the garage, up in the rafters, next to our camping gear. NOW, that said, We are not looking for quick money, which never entered my mind. But due to a new and developing health condition in myself, we dicided that taking the boat out would not be a good option for us. To safely launch the boat, and etc, it really requires 2 people, and 3 wouldnt hurt. So we kept it covered, and would fix the cover as needed to make sure the boat was not subject to the elements. (clearly there was an issue with that, because of the hatch being pried open) Now, to continue, we did not feel the need to check inside the cabin area of the boat, as last year when we put it up, it was fine. We did not think there was a chance water had gotten in it, as we had secured it, and made sure it would not leak- Now that being said, we probable should have gone and checked it out before we listed it, but what we discovered was so far from how we left it, that it was truly shocking... The latches being broken and the hatch being cracked allowed a LOT of water to get into the boat.

Where we had a problem. We should have fixed the area of damaged floor before we put it up for the winter last year. We did not. Being it was secure, we figured we could wait til this spring to fix it, and get that taken care of. When I listed the boat, I explained everything that needed to be repaired, including the damaged floor in the cabin, bellows, etc- I even offered to have the bellows gimbal bearing, and u-joints all replaced at no cost to the potential buyer. ---- BUT because of the previously damaged floor, the water essentially went right through the flooring and saturated the foam---- NOW as I said before, the foam was dry, when we purchased the boat, and it was dry when we put it away last year. I know it was dry, without any doubts at all. We checked the seals to make sure they did not leak. - I am not really in the business of defending myself to people who look at my statements or questions and try to find anything at all that they determine to be questionable and exploit them, as if I am a liar- I realize we should have fixed the floor.

BUT in my mind, the bottom line is, IF NO ONE HAD PRIED THE HATCH- then NO WATER would have gotten in over its storage period, and we would still have to replace the cabin floor, BUT THAT IS IT- Now we have to pull the entire cabin apart- remove all the old foam - dry the interior hull preoperly, reinstall new foam, and reinstall all of the fixtures within the cabin, which are attached to the hull in various ways, not sure how, as i dont know about that structure of the boat, but either way, we have a couple hundred dollar fix turn ito a thousands of dollars repair because some jack***** broke into our boat, and allowed water to get into it. AS SOON as i discovered it, I filed a police report, and contacted the insurance company... I did my best to protect the boat over the winter, and I am in NO WAY - attempting to lay my negligance on the insurance company, and am appalled that you would leave with that impression. You're entitled to your opinion, and voice it if you must. but kindly keep fron insinuating that I intentionally neglected my boat, and therefore cause the problem.
 

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Bubba - It was not about investing time and money to make it look better. The boat itself is old. 1986 model - The price I was asking reflected the work that needed to be done at the end of the season. I had arrangements to have the repairs made, in the event I had someone agree to buy the boat- The only thing I did not agree to do was re-upholster to outside seating areas. We enjoyed using the boat, a lot, but with health issues, and small children, taking a boat out that is that size, is challenging, and time consuming. We were hoping to keep it, but after learning that my new health condition is permanent, we decided boating would not be in out future, and it would be a shame to see the boat waste away. We did not want to put the money into the boat intitially, to only have it sit, and dry out again (IE bellows). We figured once we found a buyer, we would then have the repairs done, so there was not damage while we waited for it to be sold...

INCASE you failed to notice, the Economy is for CRAP - very few people are buying, and far more people are selling. The market is flooded. My cousin has been trying to sell his boat for 8 months... I just didnt want the repairs to be wasted money and time, and figured they could be made if someone wanted them, or sell it for a lower price if they wanted to do the work themselves... The insinuated insults really are not necessary.
 

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etracer, just because you would have done a check out doesn't mean that everyone does. So it's your opinion what should be done when a boat is in storage, but it's not eveyone's opinion. And it's just not possible in every case.

Most people trust that because it was secured properly in the fall, it'll be okay until spring. And that's a reasonable assumption. I know I sure did it that way. In fact, there was more than one winter when I didn't even see my boat from Nov to March. I wouldn't have known if it was still where I left it, let alone vandalized. And there was one winter it was in my backyard, and I saw it everyday, but didn't "look" at it or even check on it from Nov to Mar.

As Bubba's experience and mine have told me, people make rash decisions and don't do anything when putting an item up for sale.

And not that an explanation was needed, you got one from mistyb.
 

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So, the adjuster called, they decided to pay 5k for new damages. I am satisfied with that. they could have decided not to pay anything. thought I'd let you all know how it turned out. surveyor was able to determine for the most part what was old damage and what was new damage. check is in the mail.
 
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