Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

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A friend’s boat, 02 Merc 350 Mag. powering an inboard ski boat. 160* thermostat new, raw water pump new, cooling system clean, (100 fresh water hours on the rest of the system). Engine temp at idle 175*. Running temp 180/185*, when taking off the temp runs up from 175 to 190+ then settles back to 185. (Owner has concerns as he cooked previous engine that ran this way.) I see this as an indication that the thermostat is functioning. Tech at the dealership says it “seems normal” to him??? I suggested going to a lower temp thermostat, should/will changing the t-stat cause the engine to run cooler over all? By comparison, our 96 5.7 LX IO runs at a constant 140*, idle or WOT. the temp never varies enough to notice.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

If he is rwc he is running too warm.If he is fwc he is fine.Raw water is right where your motor runs,145 with a spike of 10-15 degrees when coming off plane.Charlie
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

It looks to me to be too high. My 5.7 runs just below 170 with the 160 thermostat. Sometimes, after an extended WOT run I might get to around 175, maybe 180 but running at lower rpms brings it back down to below 175 fairly quick. I would give the lower unit water pump a rebuild and overhaul (remove and replace exhauat manifolds and flush the block) the inside the boat cooling system before the temp gets high enough to do some real damage.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

Also, Charlie is right, depends on the cooling system. I assumed raw water cooling but if he has a sealed system, could be fine.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

Thanks for the responses. The system is raw water cooled, that’s the reason for the concern.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

I would NOT go to a lower degree thermostat. It may make someone feel better, but theoretically the thermo temp setting only changes minimum temp not maximum, unless it is not opening completely.<br /><br />I would also make sure that the temps you are getting are accurate. There are a couple of threads about temp gauge issues and frankly I think mine is full of bull . . .
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

Yah QC am going to check the gage accuracy next time out; an IR thermometer should do the trick. As for the t-stat only affecting the min temp. If what you stated is true, then taking the t-stat out should not effect the running temp. on the engine. I thought the t-stat defined the temp range the engine operated in. The efficiency of the cooling system determines how cool the engine can run.? Of course I may be mistaken. :confused: :confused:
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

Originally posted by Limited-Time:<br /> A friend’s boat, 02 Merc 350 Mag. powering an inboard ski boat. 160* thermostat new, raw water pump new, cooling system clean, (100 fresh water hours on the rest of the system). Engine temp at idle 175*. Running temp 180/185*, when taking off the temp runs up from 175 to 190+ then settles back to 185.
Actually, if the boat is running in fresh water, there isnt reason for concern. 175-190 is nothing for a well built small block and actually is right where they like to run with the most efficiency. You do not want to completly remove the thermostat, it likly wouldnt ever even warm up.<br /><br />Your friend never "Cooked" his engine by running it at those temps. Nope, Nada, didnt happen.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

LT,<br /><br />Yeah, you're close, but just imagine the system when the thermo is fully open. Typically a 140 may be fully open at around 155 and the 160 at 175 (somebody chime in who knows, but I use about 15 degrees between closed and fully open). So if you are getting above 175ish with a fully open 160 thermo, then the 140 won't help. This is not true with the thermo removed as you get bypass, which messes up everything. When a manufacturer does a cooling system audit they typically use a blocked open thermostat. This way they get the flow the right direction and still have the correct orifice size in play too. That is how they judge the efficiency.<br /><br />If you take a 160 that never runs fully open because it just doesn't get that hot, then yes a lower degree thermostat would potentially reduce your maximum temp too. The point is that a lower degree thermo will not help if the engine/system is truly overheating. If you just don't like how hot it is running AND the current thermo is not required to fully open to cool it, then yes, a lower degree thermo would get you lower min and max temps. But if I take everything in your first post as correct (i.e. gauges are right etc.), then a lower degree thermo is the wrong way to go. The way YOUR boat runs sounds right to me, there is plenty of cold water available, so it stays right at the opening temp . . .<br /><br />I am confused why your '06 has a 140 though. I don't know, but thought that all of the open system Mercs were running 160s now . . .
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

Quietcat, that was exactly my point earlier. My 160 stat allows the engine to run 10 to 15 higher normally. In this mode the thremostat is not wide open. Then when I run hard the stat opens to get rid of the extra heat. If the stat is fully open and the engine temp is barely holding at 180 at low speed, then running hard will increase the engine temp due to the extra heat generated by the high load/speed and since the stat was already open, it can not bring in more cool water to hold down the temp. The point here is that it is likely the efficiency of the cooling system is very low and the stat is fully open just trying to cool at low speed. Running this way is right on the egde of overheating and a little more running may push it into a overheat condition doing much more damage. Engine temp should stay pretty constant whether running hard or idling.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

Thanks for the insight. Sorry for the typo my engine is a 96' not an 06'. Also I never planed on pulling the t-stat, that was just an example. The guy did cook an engine, and swears the temp never passed 200* and the audible temp warning never went off. When the original engine was pulled both head gaskets were toast and there was enough water in the engine to float the boat. Merc replaced the original engine under warranty........so who knows. If the temp gage is accurate I agree everything should be OK. On the other hand if the gage is low by 10 to 15 degrees that would explain a lot. We're going to check the temp next time out. I realize the more HP a given size engine produces the more heat it generates, and to make the 300+ HP the 350 Mag needs to operate at the correct temp. Just seems a bit high for a RWC engine.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

I can't vouch for the accuracy of my temp gauge, but I just went through changing the stat on my raw water cooled OMC (salt water). It was sticking and not closing all the way, motor would not warm up unless under load. It was also letting the motor heat up slightly coming off plane (from 160-170). What I found with the new one is it keeps the temp steady at 160 (160 stat was specified by OMC) from idle to WOT. Even though the spec is that it starts to open at 155-160 and fully open 178-180 or so, I tested it in a pot of hot water and found that it opened at 155, and was fully open more like 160-165. I compared it to the used (salt) stats I had taken out over the years and they both opened and closed, but slower, and not as far. Now you have a closed systm so you should not be having the issues we have with this in salt with raw water cooling (I replace stats about once every 2 seasons, or sooner if the temp readings start to change) but I'd test that stat, I have an old car radiatior thermometer I use for this.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

Originally posted by Limited-Time:<br /> Just seems a bit high for a RWC engine.
I agree. If it sounded like I was saying he is OK, then I wasn't clear. With the 160, IMHO, he should not be seeing the swings up to 185 that appear to be happening.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

RWC 140<br />FWC 180<br />Don't want to see much more than a 10 degree variation on those.<br />Check the raw water pump, if it's fine, carry on. Those temps aren't too bad... a little warm for a 160 but not bad.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

Does it have sea water strainers? I've seen several overheat problems on inboards due to the strainer cover sucking air due to bad seals. The leak isn't bad enough to leak water, but it will suck air and cause the temp to rise above normal.
 

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Re: Input on running temp. 02 Merc 350 Mag St inboard

Don, <br />I do not think it has a strainer in the system, but I will check next chance I get. <br /><br />Thanks to all for your input so far.
 
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