Ignition System and Coil, High Speed Cruise Problem - Mercrusier 4.3 LX Gen+

CK7385

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I have a '96 Chaparral 180LE Bowrider with a Mercruiser 4.3 LX Gen+ with Alpha I outdrive.

I have an engine stumble after running at high speed cruise or WOT for several minutes, otherwise it runs great (it even runs great for several minutes at high speed cruise and WOT, until the stumble happens). The engine stumble is a significant RPM drop / loss of power. If you back of the throttle and "nurse it" you can keep the engine running, then continue on at a comfortable cruise speed. The one time the engine died from the stumble, I went to neutral, let the boat stop and turned the key off. The engine started again with a bump of the key, idled and ran fine at a slow/medium cruise all the way home.

I bought the boat 3 summers ago as a non-running boat. I got the boat running after replacing the electric fuel pump, overhauled the carb, set the timing and replaced the plugs and wires, and it has run like a top the last 2 seasons. The previous owner had done some ignition work trying to get it running and now I am trying to work with / around (or replace) some of the previous owners repairs.

I am replacing the ignition coil (the coil that is on the boat appears to be an automotive style "MSD" coil) andhave bought a Sierra 18-5438 coil to replace it. The shade tree mechanic / old school hot-rodder in me thinks the coil is getting hot at high speed cruise and WOT and once it gets to a certain temperature it breaks down and causes the engine to stumble. The coil may or may not fix the problem, but I need to replace the automotive style coil anyways.

On the new coil there is a sticker that says "Use of External Resistor required if Used on Non-Thunderbolt Ignition Systems". I assume the resistor is for an older "points-type" ignition, which I don't have. HOWEVER: The original ignition system HAD an ignition module attached to the side of the distributor with a single 8 pin connection. The previous owner replaced this module with an remotely mounted module (Denso 131800-7071) with two multi-pin connectors.

My questions right now is this: With the original ignition, was this considered a "Thunderbolt" ignition? And, now that the module has been replaced, is it still considered a "Thunderbolt" ignition? I assume the "Thunderbolt" ignition is just a fancy way of saying its an "HEI" or electronic ignition. If that's the case, I assume I don't need any resistor for the replacement coil, as 12 volts to the coil is what is needed.

Also, any other suggestions on the engine stumble? If the coil doesn't fix the problem, I'm thinking there is a fuel pressure or carburetor issue. The boat starts, idles and runs fine 90% of the time, so I know there is spark, timing is set properly, clean air in and exhaust out and the fuel system seems to be working. One side note, the exhaust bellow from the transom to the outdrive needs to be replaced, as it does not stay attached to the outdrive port. I don't think that would be causing the drivability issues, but I'm admittedly not very proficient with outdrive "stuff".
 

JackBronson

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I can't tell you exactly about how to address the module situation, but I can tell you that I was having similar issues with my 4.3 (a 2008 Chaparral) and it turned out to be the coil. It was fine cold, but once it got warm like after 25 minutes of driving, not even WOT, the motor would run rough and die and would be a bear to get started. Next day cold, it was fine again.
Pull the coil wire - is there black gunk on the contact? Mine did, was seeping oil from inside as if the oil was "boiling" inside it.
 

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Welcome aboard

HEI is GM's automotive ignition from 1975-1995, not anything like the Mercruiser Thunderbolt system other than they are both electronic ignitions.

verify your stumbling is ignition first prior to changing anything. my guess its fuel related and most likely vapor lock

unless your coil is leaking oil, there is nothing wrong with it.

if your exhaust bellows is leaking, your u-joint and shift cable bellows will soon fail. time to pull the drive and do a bellows job, and inspect the gimble while your in there.
 

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"Thunderbolt" is Mercs' proprietory electronic ignition system. From 84 to mid way through 96 it was Thunderbolt 4, after that, Thunderbolt 5. It is a high engery ignition system. It sounds like the orginal system was TB-IV, and the replacement module is a new TB-V box. Some time in the late 90s Merc discontinued making the TB-IV boxes, instead just superseding the module to a new TB-V module.

You still have a "Thunderbolt" system, so no external resistor is needed...

I feel if it was the coil overheating, then the problem wouldn't 'correct itself' after pulling back for just a few seconds. Sounds more like a fuel starvation probem. I would put a vacuum gauge on the line coming into the pump and see what sort of vacuum you're pulling at WOT. If it's much more than a couple of inches of mercury, start looking for that... If there's no appreciable vacuum, check the pump full flow volume. The pump needs to be able to flow a minimum of about 1.5 litres per minute... Deadhead pressure is between 3 and 7psi.

Chris........
 

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I have an engine stumble after running at high speed cruise or WOT for several minutes, otherwise it runs great (it even runs great for several minutes at high speed cruise and WOT, until the stumble happens). The engine stumble is a significant RPM drop / loss of power. If you back of the throttle and "nurse it" you can keep the engine running, then continue on at a comfortable cruise speed. The one time the engine died from the stumble, I went to neutral, let the boat stop and turned the key off. The engine started again with a bump of the key, idled and ran fine at a slow/medium cruise all the way home.

Ayuh,.....Welcome Aboard,... I agree with the others,... Sounds like it's runnin' out gas,...

Pull the fuel filter, 'n inspect it's Contents for anything but clean fresh gasoline,....
 

CK7385

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Thank you achris for your answer and explaining the TB-IV and TB-V ignition systems, that is a big help. Also, I tend to agree with the fuel starvation issue, I got a little "tunnel vison" when I realized it was an automotive style coil and had my fingers crossed that it was failing and was the problem. A fuel issue make more sense based on the symptoms. Thanks Bondo and Scott for the additional support and suggestion.
 

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PROBLEM SOLVED -- It was in fact a fuel starvation problem. I narrowed the problem to being internal to the fuel tank, so I replaced the fuel pickup tube in the tank and that has corrected the problem. I also found some trash in the one way fuel check valve, and I went ahead and replaced the check valve as well. I have to assume the fuel pickup tube has a hairline crack in it and at WOT it was sucking more air than fuel and running the carburetor bowl empty. I have also replaced the fuel pump, as I figure if it was sucking air (or working harder to suck fuel) and it probably had more wear and tear than typical use, so rather than take the chance of it failing, or not running at the designed PSI, I elected to replace it.

Anyway, thanks for everybody's help, and hopefully this helps someone else.
 

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PROBLEM SOLVED -- It was in fact a fuel starvation problem.

Ayuh,.... Thank you for comin' back, with the results,....
 
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