Hydrofoil

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2001 Tahoe Q3, 3.0 Mercruiser, alpha1
I am wanting to put a hydrofoil on the outdrive but there are so many out there. Is anyone using one and what are some recommendations?


Thanks
Allen
 

H20Rat

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Re: Hydrofoil

Search around, 99% of the time there are better options. (aka tabs/smarttabs)
 

and2ram

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As a buyer I steer clear of any boat with a hydrofoil. To me it's either a sign of an underpowered boat or a cheap way to fix a control issue. If you have porposing issues that aren't solved by trim try smarttabs. Otherwise it may be worth trying a couple different props.

A 3.0 should be plenty to move a Q3. What is leading you to believe you need a hydrofoil in the first place?
 
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Re: Hydrofoil

My worries are not enough power to get the boat on plane when pulling a wakeboard or tube with 3 or 4 people in the boat and it does porpose. I was looking into adding trim tabs and a hydrofoil, also when on plane with this boat and I try to trim up I can't trim up more than a quarter or the prop come out of the water.
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Allen
 

Chris1956

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Allen, Hydraulic Trim tabs are the way to go in your situation, (or swap the 3.0 for a 4.3LX motor). Tabs all the way down for starting out. Adjust tabs all the way up once on plane.
 

JoLin

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I was looking into adding trim tabs and a hydrofoil, also when on plane with this boat and I try to trim up I can't trim up more than a quarter or the prop come out of the water.
Thanks
Allen

Allen, add one or the other- not both. Tabs are the better option. Follow Chris1956's advice on how to use them.

My .02
 

JoLin

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Re: Hydrofoil

As a buyer I steer clear of any boat with a hydrofoil. To me it's either a sign of an underpowered boat or a cheap way to fix a control issue. If you have porposing issues that aren't solved by trim try smarttabs. Otherwise it may be worth trying a couple different props.

And2ram, that wouldn't concern me. When you mention trim tabs in an area like mine (where 18' and up boats are the norm), most folks think of Lenco and Bennett at $500. a pop. I was a 'radical' when I put ST's on my 21' Pro line. Nobody I spoke with had ever heard of Smart Tabs. On the other hand, seems like everybody knows about hydrofoils, and they only cost $50.

The 16' Sylvan/85 hp Yamaha I bought last fall has a foil on it. I only got to take it out once before I laid it up for the winter, so I'm reserving judgement until I've lived with it for a few runs.

My .02
 

jbetzelb

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Re: Hydrofoil

I have a 89 19 foot Reniell with the 4.3 GM engine. I run the SE300. Been on there for about 10 years. It kicks the back end of the boat up when you get on the gas out of the hole and it smoothes the ride a little in rough water (at least a little wider trim range). With the SE300 on it it will run at 54 MPH with two people in it. On the other side it will pull 5 - 170 pound skiers out of the hole with two people in the boat with them needing to drag for about 10 seconds. Take the SE300 off and top speed is 50 MPH and knock off 2 of the 5 skiers. It will still pull 4 of the skiers but they need to be able to drag for about 50 foot till it gets up some decent speed. People on this site hate foils but I have had good luck with it. I am guessing I would like tabs better but I can pull good and run plenty fast so why bother.
 

Jdeagro

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Let me give you a little info regarding planing devises. We make Smart Tabs just so you know where the info is coming from.

Hydrofoils are trim tabs attached to the motor or out drive. They are a fixed devise that because of where they are mounted, lift the boat from the center. This is like balancing a pencil on your index finger. Since the foil is fixed or stationary, the lift will progressively increase as the speed increases. In other words the maximum lift will come at maximum speed. This is not necessarily
When you want the maximum lift, and usually results in a loss of top speed as the bow is pushed too far down. If the boat is not capable of higher speeds due to the engine size, then you may not experience this.

Trim tabs provide more lift because the combined surface area of the two tabs is usually much more than the hydrofoil and they start out deployed for a more aggressive "bite". As they retract at cruising speeds most trim tabs reduce lift so as to avoid forcing the bow down. Excessive lift at higher speeds will cause handling problems.

HP is not always the answer but it is always one of the first things looked at. Most boats have plenty of HP they just have a bad attitude (upon acceleration). If there is no hill to climb the HP can be used to accelerate forward. The other most common remedy is props. If the prop is allowing the motor RPMs to fall within specs then do not change it. Get rid of the hill with trim tabs.
 

rallyart

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For the dollar, nothing will get you on plane faster than a hydrofoil on the leg. Trim tabs and hydrofoils both lift the stern from behind the transom and get you on plane faster while also allowing you to operate on plane at a lower speed. Both give you more control of speed before you get on plane.
The hydrofoil lifts on the leg so you add load to your steering from the force of that lift. For many boats it can be a quick fix to make the boat better for how you use it. Other negatives can include increased spray at the transom. Don't expect the foil to stop porpoising.
Jdeagro is right that the lift increases with speed which is usually not what you want. This means that any increase in steering stiffness is higher at top speed, although you may not notice it at slower speeds. You do compensate for the lift when you trim up the bow at high speed. You are dragging the foil through the water at top speed but you have also lifted more of the hull out of the water so you probably won't see much sped loss.
Trim tabs have other benefits that a foil cannot help with. The compensate for list when you have a hull that does that naturally or when the boat is loaded unevenly. They can also effectively work to reduce porpoising and with helm adjustable tabs you have a second way to control the attitude of the boat in a storm or in rough water.
A foil like the Stingray probably gives the most lift. One like the Doel probably affects the handling the least. For wake boarding a foil works better than tabs.
For me (who has a foil on one of my boats), my first choice would be helm adjustable tabs, then Smart Tabs, then a foil. Please note that is also the order for price from high to low. Pick your budget. You get what you pay for.
 
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