Hydrafoil

bronxlatetour

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Do they work? What do they do? If they do anything do they only work for smaller boats? Lastly, I have a 1990 sea ray 250DA with the 7.4 Bravo. It's a pretty heavy boat, aprox 6000-6700 depending on people on board. Thanks.
 

RubberFrog

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Re: Hydrafoil

A hydrofoil will be more problem than help on your boat. You need trim tabs. Smarttabs may make something big enough for your boat but I would recommend traditional trim tabs.
 

bronxlatetour

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Re: Hydrafoil

I have trim tabs, they work good for balancing the boat from side to side while cruising. I have no problem getting on plane or with performance, I was just curious if they offered any dicernable benefit.
 

KaGee

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Re: Hydrafoil

If you already have trim tabs, a hydrafoil is overkill. Not to mention the possible harm it could do to your drive. Maybe you are not using the tabs to their optimum performance?
 

bronxlatetour

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Re: Hydrafoil

I'm very new to boating, as you can tell and this is my first boat. I only use them to "balance" the boat while cruising. To stop that feeling of "tipping over." Should I be using them for something else also? I have no problem getting up on plane. I can stay on plane at about 2500 RPM. I usually cruise at about 3200 @ 28 MPH. On smooth water it will do 38-39 MPH@ 4400 RPM. I rarely go WOT though due to the engines age although it only has 340 hours on it.
 

thunderroad

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Re: Hydrafoil

Everything I read here about hydrofoils is bad and everyone I know that uses one thinks they're a great thing.
I'm confused.
 

tommays

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Re: Hydrafoil

I have one and like it BUT only use when i am going to have 6 people on the boat

Even when its on right and at a good hight it really puts a LOT of extra effort into steering :(

If you dont have power steering it really shows how much strain it puts on the steering


Tommays
 

freddyray21

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Re: Hydrafoil

I have one and notice a benefit in being able to stay on a plane at a lower speed. I don't have power steering and it doesn't really affect mine, but I only have a 16.5 foot boat
 

ron7000

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Re: Hydrafoil

to say I wasted $50 on the stingray hydrafoil would be a little harsh but if there was a way I could get any money back on it I would. I bought it for a 2002 bayliner 19' with a 3L merc alpha. This one in particular, the way it's shaped, has a few affects. It will get the boat on plane quicker, keep the boat on plane at slower speeds & rpms, and allow the boat to plane with more weight further aft. In that respect, it's great. But on my boat, or so I was told by stingray customer service, is the outdrive sits lower in the water compared to other boats. So the hydrafoil rides deeper, causing more drag, and severely limiting top speed. The boat normally did 41mph at 4800 rpm, the hydrafoil dropped it down to around 35 mph at ~4500 rpm with a huge wash. The solution according to stingray was shim the hydrafoil to it sits 1/4" above the cavitiation plate. I can see this working, but it'll put huge amounts of stress via 4 1/4" bolts to the cavitation plate and I don't feel like breaking the drive. The worst thing about the hydrafoil is the side to side distance it has, it'll act as a lever on the drive cav plate and is probably the main reason these things break the cav plate. And this is also the reason it gets harder to turn the boat with a hydrafoil. There are other brand hydrafoils which mount to the drive and just extend the cav plate rearward, they don't add anything sideways. These I think would be the way to go as long as they're not too long, and you don't have a setup like mine where it sits low to begin with.
 

jimshabbah

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Re: Hydrafoil

I think they work great for smaller boats. I had a 30l. 18' Bayliner and it made a huge difference in hole shot and planing at lower speeds for pulling skiers. I then bought a 22' 74l. with a Bravo1 and put a Stingray on that one as well just based on past experience since we do a lot of skiing. It helped very little. I would say that it improved planing by about a 12/ second and my boat only weighs about 3500#. I have sinced removed it. I have changed props and that made more difference than the hydrofoil for whatever its worth.
 

thunderroad

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Re: Hydrafoil

that's good info, ron7000. I've considered one for my boat but you've got me thinking the other way now because in comparing drives, mine seems to sit lower in the water than a lot of others I've seen. I'm sure there has been a lot of advancement in boat design since mine was new. A friend of mine won a StingRay hydrofoil at a DU banquet and he doesn't even have a boat. He said I could have it if I wanted. It would be nice to try one without drilling holes in the plate. I suppose I could fill the holes with JB Weld if I removed it.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Hydrafoil

The stingray i bought was in the water for a total of 30 minutes.It made my boat list to port side at high speeds and the steering pulled to the left also.
It also didn't help getting on plane very much and i lost top speed.
I took it off and gave it to a relative for his pontoon..
I put on smart tabs and what a difference!The boat jumps up on plane,stays on plane at 2500 rpms and corners like a sports car.I gained about 2 mph top end speed too...
best low cost add on i ever purchased..
 

milkyway

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Re: Hydrafoil

So what make or brand of trim tabs would you recommend? Can I just get hydraulic, self-adjusting instead of the electric? I should put it on my 23 ft. It's always leaning to t he port side. I am curious about getting faster on plane and to be on plane at lower rpms.
 

milkyway

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Re: Hydrafoil

Anyone has good experience with the Nauticus Tabs? The Bennett is too much for me.
 

llerrad

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Re: Hydrafoil

Have one on my 22ft 1.5 ton boat, works great had it for 20 yrs no problem to drive unit. Puts boat on plane faster might shave off a bit of top end. Try one then decide. don't like it take it off.
 

John_S

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Re: Hydrafoil

I don't think this is a tabs vs foil question. It is should a foil be used with existing tabs? From what I've heard on this board, think the answer is NO. I also don't believe the answer is to remove the existing tabs and go to a foil.

milkyway: search on smart tabs and you will find all the info you should ever need.
 

thunderroad

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Re: Hydrafoil

Well...I mounted the Stingray hydrofoil that my buddy gave me and went to the river to check it out. There was a fishing tournament about 15 miles downstream so the ramp was totally vacant...plus it was too hot for people with any sense to be out...anyway...I started with my original 19P prop. Hole shot has always been fine but top end speed seemed to peak at 4000 rpms at around 30 on the speedo. WOT was 4500 but the last 500 didn't seem to make any difference in top end speed, regardless of trim position. With the stingray, hole shot was MUCH improved. It literally jumped up on plane but it seemed to cost a little on top end speed. Not much...1 or 2 mph maybe. Trimming helped a little now, but very much and it threw a lot of water into the back of the boat. Next I took off the stingray and swapped the prop for a 21P I just bought. Hole shot was noticeably sluggish compared to original set-up. Top end speed gained about 4 mph and the boat seemed to cruise very nicely at 3700 (about 30 mph). Trimming helped, maybe a little. Next I re-installed the stingray. Hole shot was now back to at least as good as original set-up, maybe a little better and top end speed didn't seem to be adversely affected. Trimming helped considerably at high speed now, with it still throwing some water into the boat at just about the point the gain ceased. I guess this can be my gauge. Cruising along at about 3500 or so now gets me the same MPH that I used to get at 4000. This, I realize, is due to the prop. If I noticed anything negative about the stingray it's that it seemed like it took a little larger area to make a 180 degree turn.
Bottom line is...the new prop is a definite winner and the hydrofoil is staying on. I think the combination of the two gives me the same lower end performance I used to have but maybe will be a little more economical on the high end...plus it might save a little wear and tear on my tired motor. I'm not lookin for miracles but wil take all the help I can get.
I forgot to mention...WOT is now 4200. That's still ok, isn't it? Also forgot to mention...my boat is 19' and I have no other tabs of any kind.
All the test were done going upstream on the Missouri which is flowing about 4mph at the moment.
So that's my story and I'm stickin to it.
 
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