Hummer wars

JB

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I feed a swarm of hummingbirds. Anyone who has watched their activity is familiar with the constant dogfighting.

The thing that I am curious about is how they can turn their "hummm" into "HUMMM!!" to attempt intimidation. They don't seem to increase the frequency, just the amplitude of the sound.

Any ornithologists here who can explain that?

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Bob_VT

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Re: Hummer wars

Since they are Humming Birds....... must be some kind of ritualistic sipping order!
 

duke33

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There is always the "alpha" bird at my feeder. As for as the increased pitch, I can only guess that they flap faster.
 

robert graham

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I have a couple of feeders hanging like yours but the Hummingbirds seem to swoop in, get a drink, and leave quickly!...wish I could get 'em to hang around like yours so we could get a better look at 'em. I have clear sugar water in mine....notice your is blue...is that better for attracting them?... I've heard that "Humming" sound they make with their wings...seem like very fiesty, agressive little devils!;)
 

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Re: Hummer wars

JB
Had some time to kill so I researched and found this article (they really are smart phones!):

Though famous for their mid-air hovering during hunting, tiny hummingbirds have another trait that is literally telltale: males of some hummingbird species generate loud sounds with their tail feathers while courting females.
Now, for the first time, the cause of these sounds has been identified: a paper published in the Sep. 9, 2011 issue of Science by Christopher Clark of Yale University reveals that air flowing past the tail feathers of a male hummingbird makes his tail feathers flutter and thereby generate fluttering sounds.
Male hummingbirds only produce fluttering sounds during their elaborate courtship rituals. Typically, during such a display, a male hummingbird will climb into the air five to 40 meters, and then quickly dive-bomb down past a perched female; when the courting male bird reaches the lowest point of his dive, he rapidly spreads and then closes his tail feathers. This spreading exposes the tail features to air, which causes them to flutter and generate sound.
Clark's research, which he began as a graduate student at the University of California at Berkeley, shows that the males of each hummingbird species have their own signature sound--largely determined by whether and how the fluttering frequencies of its different tail feathers interact with one another and blend together. For example, the fluttering of one of a hummingbird's tail feathers may cause a neighboring feather to flutter, similar to the way that the vibrations of one tuning fork may cause another nearby tuning fork to similarly vibrate.
When interacting in this way, a hummingbird's neighboring fluttering tail feathers produce a sound that is louder--usually about 12 decibels louder--than would the two tail feathers fluttering independently of one another. What's more, neighboring feathers that flutter at the same frequency produce a different tonal sound than neighboring tail feathers that flutter at different frequencies.
Other factors, such as the size, shape, mass and stiffness of the hummingbird's feathers, also help determine the tone of each species' particular sound. "The sounds that hummingbird feathers can make are more varied than I expected," said Clark.
When diving during their courtship dances, male hummingbirds exceed their usual flight speeds--with birds of at least some hummingbird species reaching their possible maximum speeds during dives. Also, the faster a male hummingbird dives, the louder his fluttering sounds become.
In addition to diving during courtship rituals, a male hummingbird may also brandish showy ornaments and produce sounds from other feathers besides his tail feathers. Females choose a mate from among available males.
Clark is unsure why male hummingbirds have evolved an ability to generate sounds with their tail feathers during courtship. But he offers two explanatory hypotheses.
According to the first hypothesis, it could be that female hummingbirds prefer to mate with the best flyers because of their relatively high fitness and that females use the volume of a suitor's tail feathers as a proxy for his fitness. If this were the case, perhaps males dive fast in order to increase the volume of their fluttering and thereby appeal to volume seeking female hummingbirds. The loudest males would thereby gain a selective advantage and be favored by evolution.
Clark notes that common sense says fluttering sounds generated by actual flight would provide a more accurate proxy of a bird's flying prowess than would vocal signals generated by mechanisms unrelated to flight.
According to Clark's second hypothesis, it could be that the sound of the hummingbirds' tail feathers developed incidentally to the birds' flying abilities without such sound serving any particular purpose--similar to the way that the sound of peoples' footsteps apparently developed incidentally to the ability to walk without such sounds serving any particular purpose. At the same time, it could be that female hummingbirds prefer the loudest males for reasons not related to their flying prowess. If this were the case, the loudest males would still have a selective advantage and would be favored by evolution.
"This work is an excellent example of the use of physical approaches to understand the function of biological structures, and it reveals aerodynamic--rather than vocalized--signaling during courtship," said William Zamer, who directs NSF's Ecological and Evolutionary Physiology program. "It is significant that the diversity of feather structures in these hummingbirds may result from sexual selection."
Clark analyzed the fluttering sounds of hummingbird feathers by measuring the fluttering feathers with a Scanning Laser Doppler Vibrometer--an instrument that is used to measure the vibrations of a surface--and by viewing high speed videos of the tail feathers of hummingbirds in a wind tunnel.
Clark notes that the aluminum wings of airplanes may also flutter as air flows over them, and in the absence of engineering controls, may even break because of such fluttering. Presumably, hummingbird feathers do not break when they flutter because they are less brittle than aluminum airplane wings, and so can bend more without being damaged.
The study was co-authored by Damian Elias, of the University of California at Berkeley. Elias contributed expertise and resources, including the Doppler vibrometer to measure the vibration of the hummingbird feathers.

Here's the link: http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=121361

Here is a video to demonstrate the effect the angle of their feathers has on flutter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cj9OQPChWY

You may of sparked a new topic for demonstration I may use in Fluid Dynamics or Vibration Analysis Labs

Also the title of your thread has sparked an idea for a new reality tv show...:facepalm: :p:D
 

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Re: Hummer wars

I feed a swarm of hummingbirds. Anyone who has watched their activity is familiar with the constant dogfighting.

The thing that I am curious about is how they can turn their "hummm" into "HUMMM!!" to attempt intimidation. They don't seem to increase the frequency, just the amplitude of the sound.

Any ornithologists here who can explain that?

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Wow. Is that a typical photo for you? Good one!
What type of hummers?
I have a few feeders and a perennial garden with some stuff that draws them and bees.....but mine are Ruby-throated hummers, and they "don't play well with others". :) I never have that many in that close proximity to a feeder....and having two on a feeder at once????
Not going to happen at my place!
I had an 8-station feeder that I don't bother with any more....too big and never more thabn one hummer using it.

Yours seem to be comfortable that there is lots of food to go around....with that many at my place there'd be blood on the ground. :D
 

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Nice swarm, JB. I ever see that at my feeder. Usually one at a time will perch and tank up, but sometimes two will show up at the same time and pretty much refuse to share.

About 15 or 20 years ago, I was crappie fishing from shore at the county lake and caught some movement out of the corner of my eye. Turned my head and it was a hummingbird working some tall prairie flowers along the shore. At some point he noticed my ear and apparently thought, "Whoa! BIG RED FLOWER!!" and buzzed over to check it out. Bet he was a long time getting THAT taste out of his mouth.
 

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Therein lies the problem...I saw "Hummer Wars" and went in a totally different direction with this.....:facepalm:
 

JB

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Thanks for he article, Angus. Logical explanation.

That pic is not typical. It was taken in Fall when I have several hundred transients at my four feeders around sunset.

My resident birds are mostly Mexican black chins. Transients can be anything.
 

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I just noticed this thread and have been meaning to post one of my own. We are having the biggest Hummer year ever. I think we have built up a local population and are not as dependent on Transients anymore. We have what I believe are primarily Black Chins, Allen's and Anna's. We are going through 2 - 3 cups of sugar a day right now. It is a daily affair and we feel like we have to leave someone in charge when we are not at home. Here's a video that poorly illustrates our situation . . . :facepalm:

 
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Bigprairie1

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We have quite a few as well and like QC, the biggest challenge is keeping that thing full of sugar water.
To my understanding they are pretty territorial and if you want a bunch around it is a good idea to put a feeder on either side of the house or a ways apart to allow all of them to feed. This is what my wife does and it seems to work out fairly well and equitably with no delays at the feeding 'drive thru'.
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I have gone to one quart feeders. That keeps the refills down to one every other day and twice a day at migrating time.
 

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I wish I had gallon feeders :facepalm: We have two of the type in the video, around 27 oz's. There are some really stupid feeders out there. Fade in the sun, hard to refill etc. :rolleyes: These have been very good, just too small of capacity. Why they need to taper I will never know.
 

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here I thought it was a Bill Clinton-esque type joke.
 
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