Hub & grease question

lakelover

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I'm replacing the bearings for the first time on an old trailer. Besides packing the bearings, how much grease should be inside the hub before putting it all back together. And what's the best grease to use, I have lithium grease. Is it OK?<br /><br />Thanks.
 

voxmorgan

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Re: Hub & grease question

Typically I usually pack the bearings and then add a few gobs in the hub for extra measure. Then after I get the hub and bearings put back on I add about 10 pumps through the bearing buddy. You want to make sure they are greased and be careful not to over grease them and blow out the rear seal. I never use lithium grease for the wheel bearings it breaks down to quick for me. I usually use “Wheel Bearing Grease” or A good quality “Marine Grease”.
 

lakelover

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Re: Hub & grease question

Thanks, Vox. I picked up some bearing grease.
 

Bass Runner

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Re: Hub & grease question

A real good grease is mystic jt-8 it repells water and has high viscosity so it won't run out of the hub.
 

nimmor

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Re: Hub & grease question

Voxmorgan mentioned bearing buddies. If you don't have them you need to get them. They are a wonderful tool. They are not that expensive either. It has been a while since I bought a set but they used to be around $20.00. Well worth it.
 

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Re: Hub & grease question

And I would suggest this to you. Fill them as completely as you can. If you don't already have some sort of bearing buddys (there are a lot of different companys that make them) count your lucky stars and avoid them like the plague. I am absolutly convinced that the use of bearing protectors has caused more bearing failures out on the road than they have ever protected anyone from. That's not to say that they aren't OK in some ways. I used them even after I came to understand how their misuse was casuing lots of failures, but the only reason is that they are generally made of much heavier steel than plain dust caps so you could pound them on with a hammer without denting them up as badly. Really, that's the only reason I liked them.<br /><br />If you are really lucky you have ome of the couple of versions of posi-lube axle. With these there is a grease fitting out on the end of the axle stub, it leads to a chamber running down the alxe (a hole of about 1/8") which exits behind the inner bearing but before the seal. With them you can completely fill the hub cavity but without pressurizing it (which is the real problem with bearing buddys). The grease caps used with these systems has a rubber plug in the end so when grease starts to come out the hole you're done and you just stick the plug back in.<br /><br />Oh, the probem with bearing buddys, and how they are misused, is this. The hype about them tells us that as you drive down the road your hub heats up but when you launch the boat they are rapidly cooled by the water and as a consequenc water is sucked into the hub. That is all pure BS. The hub on a properaly maintained trailer doesn't get hot at all, the temperature differential between the hub and the water is so small that there is next to no pressure change inside the hub. As a consequence no water gets sucked in. Many people who have these things think they are doing the lord's work by giving each wheel a shot or two of grease every time they take the trailer out. Where do they think all that grease is going? I'll tell you where, its blowing out right past the rear seal. The misuse of bearing buddys causes grease seal failure, plain and simple. Once the grease seal fails its just a matter of time, and not much of it, until the bearings fail.<br /><br />Anyway, that's how I see them.<br /><br />Thom
 

lakelover

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Re: Hub & grease question

The trailer gets very light use, typically 2-3 times per season, and the dust caps fit tight and are in very good shape, so I think I'll just keep using them. Even before I changed the bearings, on a 150 mile trip, the hubs were nice & cool. Like with many things, opinions vary, thanks to all.
 

Red 52

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Re: Hub & grease question

Bearing buddy's only get's new grease to the outside bearing. Unless like Thom is saying you blow out the seal. Good maintanence works fine. Repack those bearing on that washout fishing day or about every 3 to 4 thousand miles.
 

livebait

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Re: Hub & grease question

Thom; thanks for sharing the thoughts on the Bearing buddy use. It gave me a reason to stop and think it through. I guess I thought that you could replace the repack and inspection with just a couple of pumps of the grease gun. I don’t think Bearing buddy’s are a bad thing if we don’t credit them with being a total maintenance solution.
 

WSUDERMAN

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Re: Hub & grease question

Just a thought on that temp diference between ambiant and the water. Here in Phoenix the ambiant temp @ 1' above the asphalt can reach 120 deg. average water temp 70. Add 10 deg increase to the ambiant for the temp of the hub and you have 130 deg to water temp of 70. Thats almost double. Quite a temp change if you as me... <br />I aggree that good maintenance is always a must with or without "bearing buddy's"
 

BillP

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Re: Hub & grease question

Pack the hub with as much grease as you can get into it and use bearing buddies properly.<br /><br />As mentioned already you can "misuse" bearing buddies by pumping in too much grease and blowing the rear seals out. The directions tell you how to prevent this and it works. But even when the seals are blown you can keep water out by pumping in more grease. Otherwise they will protect your bearing way better than dunking without them. Regardless of the temp differential deal, water doesn't get into the bearings when using bearing buddies. It does get into the bearing that don't have bearing buddies because you cannot manually pack the hub tight enough to prevent water from entering. It doesn't take much water pressure to fill bearings with water when dunking. When water enters the hub area it takes a LONG drive to get the water out. I dunked a trailer without bearing buddies and drove home 300+ miles @ 70mph...then pulled the hubs and found water. This never happened with bearing buddies.
 
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