HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

KamikazeKid

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Anybody have these?

Explanation:
Am buying a kicker. Have seen many posts saying the increased power of the 15 hp is only at top end, resulting from increased max RPM. Since aux motor will probably never run at 5,000+ RPM, there doesn't seem to be any point in buying the 15 hp. If I could compare HP & Torque curves, that would definitely verify it.
 

the machinist

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

I have never seen HP & Torque curves for these motors. Maybe I have never looked in the right places, but nothing I have seen in any of the original manuals. However these motors may have been in existance before this info seemed to be important.
 

rolmops

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

Anybody have these?

Explanation:
Am buying a kicker. Have seen many posts saying the increased power of the 15 hp is only at top end, resulting from increased max RPM. Since aux motor will probably never run at 5,000+ RPM, there doesn't seem to be any point in buying the 15 hp. If I could compare HP & Torque curves, that would definitely verify it.

The increased rpm ,which is caused by a different carburetor and later on a different design of exhaust indeed gives more power due to the higher RPMs.
If you do not intend to use the high end you might as well buy a 9.9.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

there not any published PROOF, that this actually works.
 

jmendoza

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

OMC was known for false advertizing and their engines were so pooly designed that this model could not quite make 10HP, so they rated it at 9.9 HP instead.

The 15 HP was a flat out lie, OMC intentionally did this to misslead buyers!:mad:

Not really, just kidding.;) If OMC rated an engine, it was BIA certified to produce at a minimum the stated power. OMC submitted their engines for BIA testing, so it was certified by an independant authority, this means there was, and still is actual credible test data prooving they were able to produce the manufacturers stated horse power. You should contact BIA if you have more questions, as they are the certifying authority.

Please note OMC always stated a lower RPM where the horse power was taken at, yet they usually are capable of up to 1000 RPM more at full throttle as shown by the maximum full throttle RPM specification, so they had power to spare.

A rough rule of thumb for small 2-cycle engines is you have about 1 horse power per 0.61 cubic inches (10cc) on an industrial engine, twice that for a racing engine. At 216cc, the 9.9/15 is easily capable of this, as it calculates out to haveing over 20 hHP given it's displacement, but it is highly restricted, even with the bigger carb. This is so if you hold it wide open, it will run all day. On my 200cc twin cylinder motorcycle engine, it has two carbs, and just one of them is bigger bore than the 15 carb, so this gives you an idea how under carbureted all outboards are in general, and this is so they will run wide open all day. Take a look at how big the carbs are on equivalent sized small APBA racing engines, and the kind of power they produce and it all becomes quite clear this engine is way overbuilt and has additional power to spare. The problem is it will not last as long if you tap into that power.
 

Patate

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

I have a '89 15 and a '90 9.9, and on my 14 foot fiberglass boat, the 9.9 push the GPS at 34 km/h and the 15 at 39 km/h with 9,5x10 pitch prop
 

ChrisAG

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

I would think the larger carburetor on the 15 would also give better midrange torque than the 9.9, not just more top end, so your acceleration would be better, as would the motor's ability to push heavy loads.
 

Patate

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

The 15 have a better acceleration, and yes more torque, can plane the boat with 4, not the 9.9
 

rfbrown

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

i dont know about the dyno but i have a 96-97 evinrude 15hp (shortshaft tiller with the small stick for fwd N and rev) and in my 12' sea nymph (its only rated for a 10hp) it goes 28mph and is VERY responsive...plane comes very quick (albeit with a hell of a wheelie), and with such a light boat its got scary hole shot...the top 1000rpm or so does seem to give an additional 50% or so power but it seems like its taching a fairly modest rpm. and i can attest to extremely good reliability. after sitting for 2 seasons it starts 3rd pull (it alwys starts 3rd pull after sitting and 1st pull if its being used every couple of days). I've never had a problem with this motor except it flexes my little 12' bit much sometime but at least the model i have i'd highly recommend...it has very low hours but has never let me down.

I'm actually on hear trying to find out how to maybe squeeze a few extra top end ponies out of mine and maybe see if there are diff prop options to lessen the hole shot through plane...if im in my lil boat alone and get on it from sub-plane the "wheelie"/hole shot is a bit dangerous.
 

Rick.

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

"I'm actually on hear trying to find out how to maybe squeeze a few extra top end ponies out of mine and maybe see if there are diff prop options to lessen the hole shot through plane...if im in my lil boat alone and get on it from sub-plane the "wheelie"/hole shot is a bit dangerous."

Throw some large rocks in the bow when your all alone. I move my gas tank as far forward as I can and any other weight as well. By the sound of things the last thing you should be looking for is more HP. LOL You should be looking for a 14ft. That will slow you down enough to be safer on the water. I can get a 12 ft. going so fast it starts to wobble and scare me half to death. I ended up even installing a man over board kill switch. Rick.
 

rfbrown

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

well, i like the power....its kind of a novelty...a "sleeper" row boat". and i already do keep weight in the front or mid front unless i want a real wheelie...

as long as i'm driving it she's pretty safe and much more with 2 people. the engine was won as second place in the 97-8 rotary derby by my uncle and i bought it cheap ($1000 when it was brand new and list was $3299). the boat it came on was a 14' princecraft with flooring and was more seaworthy but a tank (prolly 15-20mph depending on load) he used it twice and wanted something bigger. I thought the motor would be perfect on my little sea nymph 12'.

But i am a speed freak on a limited budget and right now my boat is like a maneuverable racing or drag rowboat and i like it. I think maybe some extra foam in the back, weight in the front (gas tank even) and maybe 10-15 extra pounds. Right now full/mid throttle bring an extreme wheelie but a little extra juice planes it immediately and gives a surge of power from 12mph to 25mph like nothin and a top of a about 28mph,

now, i do love the low end and mind range this setup has with light weight....its def not for novices and i'd like to reinforce a few spots on the boat.

I guess wht i want to know is there any tuning that can be done to a small outboard motor like this without significantly affecting its a great reliability. I wouldnt mind some additional performance in all areas but would be will to substitute some of the whole shot for a s substantial top speed increase which im sure is possible with prop options or tuning,...
 

jmendoza

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

I have the 9 1/4 x 8 prop, for high altitude and heavy loads in the boat.
The one trick that was allowed in APBA J Class racing (juniors) that we did to these engines was to cut reeds from .018" thick G-10 epoxy glass sheet availlable from aerspace composits: http://www.acpsales.com/index.htm.

You can put and additional piece of the .018" thick material under the reed stops on top of the reeds, ot re-shape the stops to allow the base of the reed petal to open more, and slightly enlarge the openings in the leaf plate and radius the edges for smoother flow.

If you want to really wake up this engine, raise the exhaust ports .035" and shape the tops of them wider so instead of a round hole they look like the letter "D". Trim down the flywheel on a lathe to lighten it up, remove the stock carburetor and put on a larger Tillotson diaphragm "pumper" carb, you will have to re-set up the linkage to the throttle shaft. Run more oil too. This was a common race tune for modified classes I saw many people do.
 

steelespike

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

Extra foam in the back will only make it float a little higher if it swamps.
Otherwise it will only add a few pounds in the stern.
Your running 50% more than its rated for.Watch the flexing you may develope
cracks.If the gunnels aren't braced to the seats that will help resist twisting.
Beef up the transom.Wear a life vest.
Have you tried raising the motor(not trim)When you fix the transom rig it like a jack plate so its easy to fine tune the height.Raise the motor to a point just before venting becomes a problem.What size prop on it now?The right prop will allow max height.Motor is rated for 6,000 if its a 97.
A tach and GPS are a must.
 

rfbrown

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Re: HP & Torque Curves for 9.9 & 15 hp

ya i got no tach...its a tiller engine on a rowboat...

foam won't add buoyancy while its floating? i saw on fiberglass race boats they add foam when they are overpowered to keep the *** end from sitting or digging too deep...although it sits pretty normal, the 10hp and 15hp have the same weight on the model i have. the prop is stock and i've had a hard time finding replacement props that vary the pitch.

thanks for all the advice though from everyone, some really good ideas...I'm actually thinking for various reasons on selling the engine...anyone interested in the NH area may contact me...it has less thn 100 hours and has always been treated well (oil mix, gear lube, fuel stabilzer etc) asking $700 firmdownsized_0929001441 (1).jpg
 
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