How I made a Taxpayer

[SoulWinner]

Some folks think that the federal government is better at spending our money then we are. I think liberals believe that we are too greedy to help anyone but orselves, therefore the benevolent federal govt must take our money and give it to the "less fortunate." Yes, liberals are in fact on dope <br /><br />So we met a nice young Christian couple at a church function (at a church we don't attend) and struck a casual freindship. The young woman was a stay at home mom with three little ones, he worked very hard to pay the bills. Every year they recieved an Earned Income Tax Credit, which meant that they got back about $5000. evey year. I love it that the government takes my money and gives it away in little increments to folks, such that it is really no help to them at all. So we invested a little time in them, and a little money in them and now this nice young couple is persuing their dream. She always wanted to have a Photography Studio, and now she does, and it is thriving. He is a genious with Photo Shop and their pictures always look great; thier new privatly owned buisness has taken off, and this year they will pay taxes for the first time. That is how this country was founded, that is how this country made it before FDR. That is how this country should work, NOT with the federal government following the Kerry vision of craddle to grave care for everyone. Socialism is not the answere folks. We are the answere. And the sad fact is that not everyone can do this....as Jesus said, we will always have poor people. Having the IRS take my money and give it to them isn't really helping them.

 

[mellowyellow]

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howdy SW,<br />when I read it in other thread I smiled.<br />u r sowing some great seeds brother!<br />congrats,<br />M.Y.

 

[SoulWinner]

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We try Mellow. We also have about a dozen cases of folks who we tryed to help get on their feet, and they took it as an opportunity to put their feet up. Right now I'm hepling a guy get a body shop opened up. He does great work and has plenty of it to do, but I am afraid that he may not have what it takes to get up and go to work when he is the boss. <br /><br />There were two folks that we tried to help untill it was obvious that they were just taking advantage of our generosity, but I don't hold it against them. I love them just same, I just wish everyone wanted to prosper enough to make it happen. God promised prosperity for His children, And it is with great pleasure that we are in a position to share this message with friends, and demonstrate it, and help them realize the truth of it.

 

[mellowyellow]

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one great gift of human nature is the tendancy to<br />remember the wins and not the losses, even if you<br />go 1-15 <br />it takes real faith to start a biz and do what it<br />takes everyday to keep it going. all u really have<br />to do is believe it in yur heart. most don't regretfully...

 

[snapperbait]

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Yes, liberals are in fact on dope

Hummmmm? Guess i'm not qualified to be a "liberal", or maybe i'm just not "liberal" enuff... Have to work on that.. <br /><br />My tax plan, to make everyone a taxpayer... Just like the church , everyone pays 10% of their income... No breaks for anyone... Make ya a million, ya pay $100,000... Make $20,000 ya pays $2,000...<br /><br />I'm snapperbait and i approve this message..

 

[kd6nem]

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Excellent start, snapperbait. There is hope for you yet! Then just convince the politicians to no longer give it all away as fast as they can and we'd actually have some meaningful reform. Less gov't intrusion is a GOOD thing! <br />Soulwinner, that is exactly how it should be! Carry on, sir!

 

[blacktie]

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soulwinner...it is excellent that you are helping others to pursue the american dream!<br /><br />snapperbait! wow! flat tax....**** Armey has espoused this for a long time now...this is pretty much a conservative libertarian view. Don't stray too far from the Kerry line, or you may become rational! (just kidding)

 

[snapperbait]

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LOL @ Blacktie.. Rational?... NEVER!

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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Flat tax wont work either. Too many people will just work under the table and not pay.

 

[snapperbait]

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So what do we do Kenneth? Nationl sales tax maybe? <br /><br />Funny how folks avoid, both legaly and illiegaly, to pay taxes, but most everyone wants a strong military to protect them, more police officers to patrol, good roads, clean water to drink, ect, ect, ect... Is'nt that strange?

 

[Link]

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Good post SW

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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I wish I knew snapperbait. A flat tax seems like a good idea, till you figure how many will work under the table. Poor folks will do this way too much. A national sales tax sounds good too. Rich folks will only buy so much though and it will leave the poor paying a disproportionate amount of their salaries to the taxes. I think that is why we are being taxed both ways, so its all covered some. Man I sure wish I knew the awnser.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Ken, folks working under the table is not really a factor. I know that it is done, mostly in the construction trades down here where all the money is under the table. Here is why this won't really affect flat taxation: If you own a business you have to account for every cent you recieve as revenue. Then you have to account for every cent your business spends as expenses. The busiess is then taxed on every cent that is left over as profit. Believe me, business owners who pay for labor under the table are loseing a LOT of tax write off. As a business owner I want every dime that my company spends on the books so for obvious tax reasons. To pay under the table, you also must have company funds that are not recorded as profit, other wise there would be a big unexplanable difference between revenue, debits, and profit. It is about a few corrupt business owners who are cheating like hell on thier taxes, but these are small fries, like a roofing contractor, not Wally World.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Great post SW. I hope you continue your help with others. I wish I was able to do such things.<br /><br />On yalls flat tax plan, I thought about this for a long time. But really no matter what tax plan, the same amount of money will have to be paid to the government.<br /><br />So flat tax vs current tax doesnt make any difference in the amount we will all pay. So the question becomes, why change it?<br /><br />And also, with the current tax plan, the government can give incentives for things they want to occur, such as home ownership, having children, giving to charity, etc, etc.<br /><br />Ken

 

[SoulWinner]

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Ken, <br /><br />The reason the tax code needs an overhaul is because my wife and I pay 47% of our income to the IRS. Theat is total bullsh!t. Obviously, I can spend my money better, and make better investments in humanity than the federal government, who spends 60% of their budget on entitlement programs. That means that roughly 25% of the money I earned is taken from me by the government and just given to someone else.<br /><br />This is America, the land of the free. No nation ever taxed it's self into prosperity. Everyone should the same amount, 10 or 12% would be fine. Sure there will always be schemes for dodging paying taxes, but the current system is just plain unfair. I get raped quarterly to support of programs dreamed up democrats that don't actually help people to better their lives.

 

[snapperbait]

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And also, with the current tax plan, the government can give incentives for things they want to occur, such as home ownership, having children, giving to charity, etc, etc.<br />

This is unfair... Why should the government give tax incentives for these things, especially for having children???? Why... It is obvious to me that parents with 5 children should be paying more taxes than parents of 2 children..... These children must be educated, correct? That costs money, does it not? Why must I pay a higher tax percentage than the parents of multiple children? I have no children that need public support? This makes no sense.... <br /><br />I understand your anger SW, about government funded programs.. I fully support government programs like welfare, but I also see where it's taken advantage of by many who try to make welfare a way of life.. A problem with no easy answers i'm afraid... There must be government provided programs for people who simply do not have the means or ability to take care of themselves, but a line has to be drawn so people and politicians cannot abuse the system like it's being done....<br /><br />Good Thread SW..

 

[blacktie]

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GREAT thread. good discussion....little partisanship makes for an excellent debate.<br /><br />I just looked back at my post and can't believe that ex-Congressman Richard Armey's real name (4 letters, begins with a "d") got censored...

 

[POINTER94]

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SW,<br /><br />You are a credit to your faith, community, country and family. What you are doing is exactly what this country (Judeo/Christian philosophy) was founded upon. Socialism is a failure everywhere it is tried in this country and around the world. We just refuse to admit it cuz it would upset the balance of power in the country today. Double standards exist just to make it appear that they do. Milwaukee, the city of has dumped billions of gallons or raw sewage into lake Michigan in the past month. Not so much as a $5 fine yet. We just spent 5 billion dollars to build a "Deep Tunnel" that was to handle all but a hundred year rain. 1/2" or 6" or rain, it doesn't matter, the city dumps raw sewage into the lake every time. The guy who runs the sewerage district is a lawyer for the Sierra Club. What is up with that? He thinks they are doing a great job?????. Duhh - NOT <br />Accountability none..<br /><br />There is a huge difference from FDR and todays socialist(democrats/RINO's) They had work programs, we have social programs. Religion was embraced by government, today government is a religion. Our education system was the best in the world by teaching RRR not by having condom appreciation day, building schools and not athletic cathedrals, testing improved by better teaching not by dumbing down the tests. The next generation was improved by focusing on their minds not their self esteem.<br /><br />Charity and community assistance is best delivered privately, individually, judiciously, and locally. Your hand up instead of a hand out will enhance these peoples lives well beyond the superficial financial impact. This is where liberals fall on their face. They measure life in terms of equality based on posessions and money. Some people have been taught by the government that they don't need to work be accountable or give back to the community. You have filled a void in these people, your community, and society in general. The impacts to these people and society go well beyond the tax potential, but then you already know that.<br /><br />Keep up the good work, God bless.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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SW, The solution you seek is lower taxes, not a flat tax. Flat tax does not equal lower taxes. Your problem requires less government spending. Not goona happen with current government.<br /><br />As for getting a tax break because of kids, the reason they get a tax break is because they are future tax payers. It is an incentive to add to the tax base. <br /><br />Anyway, I agree, we all pay too much taxes, but we are stuck in a loop. As far as I am concerned I am tired of all the talk of taxes for our government, I want talk of reducing spending.<br /><br />Ken

 

[kenimpzoom]

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An interesting read on how much we actually pay in taxes.<br /><br /> http://www.ipi.org/ipi/IPIPublicati...okupFullText/A9A7AA39F78128BB86256AB700627702 <br /><br />But all this talk of how the taxes are collected is moot. It spending we need to get under control, then we will reduce the taxes.<br /><br />Ken